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The WR Thread

We're talking about Winchester. He wanted to trade our first round for Rashard Robinson...
I know, he wants to trade our picks every year. This is the definition of insanity. Trade first rounder and throw in a 2nd or a 3rd. If you do this every year and trade your day 2 and 3 picks just to hope for a superstar, then all you have is a great 1st round pick and absolutely no depth on the team at all that has been drafted. Now you end up in cap hell because you have to go to free agency for depth. smh
 
Ther isn't a gm in the league dumb enough to move down 11 spots from elite qb/db/wr range for that.
No one is moving down 9 spots for those guys, absolutely no one. Seriously it doesn't work that way. Not even the Browns would make that trade.
Lol yeah absolutely every GM would give the world for our skill players.
Ther isn't a gm in the league dumb enough to move down 11 spots from elite qb/db/wr range for that.

I forgot to include Maclin. He is under contract as well. So that is chris Moore,Perriman,Max,Boyle,Buck Allen and Maclin with Pick No.16 to move up to top5 and get Ridley!!
 
No I said Robinson is more talented than Round1 Humph. No need to trade a round1 pick for a drama player
Would you trade a 1st rounder for Marqise Lee?
 
If by inability to run some routes means beating press and running the 9 route then yeah I would agree, but he's not a guy I think should be pigeonholed. He gets separation and he gains YAC. He has a lot of little nuances that give him the advantage in a lot of spots, like adjusting the depth of his route to make room for YAC when he sees the DB playing top down or breaking a hair deeper when the db is trying to play aggressive coverage, just little savvy things that get him separation.

He could play outside because I think he's a guy who could work the sideline very well when he's not facing shallow zone concepts, comebacks and in routes, give him room to either get that separation against his man or find the soft spot, he would be best in the slot for the time being but I think he's a guy you can move around.
I see, thank you. To me he is by far the most interesting and difficult to understand prospect in our range. I think he will either be a super star or someone who really struggles to get out of press in the league. I would be very happy to see him in our offense however
 
I really don’t hate Chris Moore I think he has amazing potential to be a play maker and a #2 wr. He has a great nack for making plays. He had 2 tds off of blocked punts and has been amazing on special teams. He is a spark that this team needs. Without his impressive catch against Pitt that game is a complete blow out. We were down 14-0 of I’m not mistaken. What about Cincy? I know he had a mistake but we aren’t even in that game if it weren’t for him. I remember seeing him hyping up the crowd before he returned his kickoff against Cincy. Then he caught a tough td. He surely should have caught that pass from Flacco but to be fair it kind of did hit him right in the back. No player could have caught that without a bobble, he just got really really unlucky.
 
after 3 games of courtland suttons, i just dont know what it is about the guy that i dont feel comfortable with.

i mean he checks all the boxes, all of them, the hands, the refined routes, the size, the toughness and stellar YAC, the highpointing, i just dont know though, i cant put my finger on it and i just cant stop thinking hes not a safe pick and not a value at 16.

can someone convince me one way or another?
 
Allen
after 3 games of courtland suttons, i just dont know what it is about the guy that i dont feel comfortable with.

i mean he checks all the boxes, all of them, the hands, the refined routes, the size, the toughness and stellar YAC, the highpointing, i just dont know though, i cant put my finger on it and i just cant stop thinking hes not a safe pick and not a value at 16.

can someone convince me one way or another?
I get the feeling that he has aligator arms at times. Hes kinda slow at the line too. I have more concerns with James Washington than Sutton though
 
I know, he wants to trade our picks every year. This is the definition of insanity. Trade first rounder and throw in a 2nd or a 3rd. If you do this every year and trade your day 2 and 3 picks just to hope for a superstar, then all you have is a great 1st round pick and absolutely no depth on the team at all that has been drafted. Now you end up in cap hell because you have to go to free agency for depth. smh

As opposed to lots of depth but no building block blue coin type players?? That works real well. NFL is littered with depth players. Gold Coiners are the building blocks of a teams identity. Which ravens do not have currently. Cuz ravens system have worked so well for the cap. Up against the cap and yet no gold coin players. And all I said was I would trade a first rounder for a superstar elite young player if he completed the team for a championship run. And yes I would trade a round1 for somebody like Beckham or Gronk/ Watt of a couple yrs ago. Even a Vic Beasley Aaron Donald Khalil Mack and Taylor Lewan. Players that would help establish identity
 
I really don’t hate Chris Moore I think he has amazing potential to be a play maker and a #2 wr. He has a great nack for making plays. He had 2 tds off of blocked punts and has been amazing on special teams. He is a spark that this team needs. Without his impressive catch against Pitt that game is a complete blow out. We were down 14-0 of I’m not mistaken. What about Cincy? I know he had a mistake but we aren’t even in that game if it weren’t for him. I remember seeing him hyping up the crowd before he returned his kickoff against Cincy. Then he caught a tough td. He surely should have caught that pass from Flacco but to be fair it kind of did hit him right in the back. No player could have caught that without a bobble, he just got really really unlucky.
I would be very happy if Chris Moore turned into a number 2 wr, but I don’t see it. He certainly has some playmaking ability, but I see his ceiling as a number 3 receiver and kr/st. I hope your right though, because I love his energy.
 
Allen

I get the feeling that he has aligator arms at times. Hes kinda slow at the line too. I have more concerns with James Washington than Sutton though
wwell i dont like washington at all. dont want him here.

As opposed to lots of depth but no building block blue coin type players?? That works real well. NFL is littered with depth players. Gold Coiners are the building blocks of a teams identity. Which ravens do not have currently. Cuz ravens system have worked so well for the cap. Up against the cap and yet no gold coin players. And all I said was I would trade a first rounder for a superstar elite young player if he completed the team for a championship run. And yes I would trade a round1 for somebody like Beckham or Gronk/ Watt of a couple yrs ago. Even a Vic Beasley Aaron Donald Khalil Mack and Taylor Lewan. Players that would help establish identity
its not just for depth, its so you can stack your team with cheap talent, of course it requires picks to pan out which is another story entirely, but hear it out...

say we trade back for a late second in 2015 and pick landon collins or preston smith, bam we have a starting caliber player at a high value position, cheap rookie deal, say we then take the traded pick and over rounds 2 and 3 we manage to land tyler lockett, tevin coleman, and trey flowers. this is all hypotheticals here obviously, but 2nd and 3rd rounders are valued for a reason, if spent wisely you can suddenly find your team loaded for the next 4 years every time you leave the draft. on the flip side, you trade your 2nd and 3rd every year to move up, and then you expend all your valuable draft picks for a player who A: costs more due to his draft slotting, and B: is just ONE player, say that one player gets injured for the year, youve just wasted 3/4 of a years draft value on a player who isnt playing and you have NOTHING to show for your draft unless you land home run steals later on.

this point is harder to argue because we have whiffed so badly on 2nd and 3rd round picks, but past failures dont change the facts nor do they lighten the risk of putting all your eggs in one basket. if youre investing in stocks you want a diverse portfolio right? because if you put all your money in one stock and it crashes youre fucked. if youre at the gym juicing it up and working on your quick twitch muscle you wouldnt work your biceps every day, because when it comes time to use your legs or your core youll be a weak piece of shit. same goes for drafting, there is never a walk of life where putting all your eggs in one basket is wise, it may pay off from time to time, but it is just too risky.
 
wwell i dont like washington at all. dont want him here.


its not just for depth, its so you can stack your team with cheap talent, of course it requires picks to pan out which is another story entirely, but hear it out...

say we trade back for a late second in 2015 and pick landon collins or preston smith, bam we have a starting caliber player at a high value position, cheap rookie deal, say we then take the traded pick and over rounds 2 and 3 we manage to land tyler lockett, tevin coleman, and trey flowers. this is all hypotheticals here obviously, but 2nd and 3rd rounders are valued for a reason, if spent wisely you can suddenly find your team loaded for the next 4 years every time you leave the draft. on the flip side, you trade your 2nd and 3rd every year to move up, and then you expend all your valuable draft picks for a player who A: costs more due to his draft slotting, and B: is just ONE player, say that one player gets injured for the year, youve just wasted 3/4 of a years draft value on a player who isnt playing and you have NOTHING to show for your draft unless you land home run steals later on.

this point is harder to argue because we have whiffed so badly on 2nd and 3rd round picks, but past failures dont change the facts nor do they lighten the risk of putting all your eggs in one basket. if youre investing in stocks you want a diverse portfolio right? because if you put all your money in one stock and it crashes youre fucked. if youre at the gym juicing it up and working on your quick twitch muscle you wouldnt work your biceps every day, because when it comes time to use your legs or your core youll be a weak piece of shit. same goes for drafting, there is never a walk of life where putting all your eggs in one basket is wise, it may pay off from time to time, but it is just too risky.

At least u know u have something to show for your resources. I get what you are saying but at some point if u wanna get better than 9-7 u have to risk. You can't make money in stocks if u don't risk. I recently lost a boatload of money(don't even like acknowledging that) but overall it works out pretty well. Ravens have to do something to get some playmakers. A bust hurts worse than paying an impact player. Perriman Elam Brown Upshaw Correa Max Davis the Bronk Jernigan and the round3 safety in 2014 has set the team back
 
I would hate Washington as our pick. What scares me is that he just screams “raven type pick.” Sigh... don’t do it Ozzie
 
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