The Refs, the Special Teams, and the Mistakes

[UPennChem]

i mean he's not wrong though

GMs give out loads of vet minimum deals each year, and often it's depth vets from your own team that are signing those deals

Of course that's the case. You'd have to be a dunce to not understand that. I didn't spend 20 minutes reviewing years of what he's done. I put 3 that happened in the last year.

It just seems to me, that EDC will somewhat often resign players he's drafted to have big roles in the team when you could question if that's a good idea based on how those guy's have actually performed.

The point for the sarcasm is that you chime in all time both agreeing and disagreeing but are polite and charitable. Rmc truly relishes the idea of "exposing" morons. He's got every right and ability to live that way. And a LOT of the time he's right in what he says. But that behavior will always be funny to me

 

[52520Andrew]

idk what data you're referring to

but i think you'd find that most metrics have the ravens as one of the better drafting and free agent signing teams in the NFL through EDC's tenure

the 2024 OL was absolutely fine - was an above average unit - you could realistically criticise EDC for not adding more competition at G with a cheap vet (although there weren't many john simpsons in free agency this year) or potentially with an early draft pick - but it's not his fault that Rosengarten and Faalele have massively regressed in year 2, that Linderbaum's having a down year, Ronnie's having a down year - you could argue that the lack of competition for vorhees is not good but we're talking about replacing 1 spot on an OL that was pretty good in 2024

i think obviously you can say we didn't add enough competition for the camp battle at LG and had too much faith in Faalele but i think you have to take a much deeper look at the OL coaching given the regression we've seen across the board at basically all 5 spots on the OL

but more generally... what evolution is it that you think EDC's not doing in terms of investment?

I think the Ravens have done well with drafting and free agency, when you are picking late most years you just have to pick where the major investment goes and that is the NFL.

I think the issue(and this is 100% hindsight since it would be another position if we focused purely on O-line) is we haven't really invested into having guys in the wings. We have been able to patch holes with Mekari or getting a guy like Simpson in free agency which has kept the line strong. But that lack of investment is catching up to the Ravens, especially at guard. I don't know if I want to do a deep dive but comparing the number of O-linemen selected in the first 2 days of the draft compared to other teams would be a good exercise. I think the Ravens have had better coaching in the past where they could develop guys easier(say what you want about Greg Roman but the dude can put together a good line) but I am not seeing that development being as effective(although we were really good with this under Joe D and those are big shoes to fill, I wouldn't say we are necessarily bad there, just can't count on it as a crutch).

If we are criticizing any specific moves, not bringing back Zeitler is the biggest one but moves like that happen where you lose good free agents.

The other thing is I don't think people fully appreciate just how much Lamar bails out bad O-line play. Teams have to play him different and as he gets less mobile with age, that effect will go away. If we want him to be the guy long term, gotta keep him clean.

So while I don't think EDC necessarily needs to evolve, I do think we really need to get this O-line fixed and it should be the biggest priority this offseason. Defensive line isn't far behind and might actually be ahead with Washington and Peebles the only guys we have on the roster for next year plus losing Jones and Van Noy on the edge. If we spend our 1st round pick in the secondary or on a WR then I do think I would have some harsh words because the trenches need some long term building blocks desperately.

 

[D1City55]

I lowkey feel bad for Zach Orr. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think he’s a great coach or anything like that but no one can work with a pass rush this bad. The defensive line is awful and the secondary is not playing well either. He was set up for failure. It’s hard for the secondary to play at a high level when you get 0 help from your pass rush. This defense just was not constructed well and we knew there were issues with the Defensive line coming into the season. The trenches need major reconstruction, both defensive line and offensive line.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Of course that's the case. You'd have to be a dunce to not understand that. I didn't spend 20 minutes reviewing years of what he's done. I put 3 that happened in the last year.

It just seems to me, that EDC will somewhat often resign players he's drafted to have big roles in the team when you could question if that's a good idea based on how those guy's have actually performed.

The point for the sarcasm is that you chime in all time both agreeing and disagreeing but are polite and charitable. Rmc truly relishes the idea of "exposing" morons. He's got every right and ability to live that way. And a LOT of the time he's right in what he says. But that behavior will always be funny to me

And the behavior that will always be funny to me is "I didn't spend 20 minutes reviewing years of what's he's done" and then admitted "I just put 3 down there because they popped into my head, without really thinking about whether they were good examples for my argument or not".

That will always be funny to me as well.

2 of the 3 examples you provided literally didn't even meet your own arbitrary criteria for your point. That's the true comedy.

 

[Nurps]

Again, I ask. If a receiver catches the ball in the back of the end zone with both feet inbounds and falls backwards out of the endzone, its a TD. Where's the football move in that scenario?

 

[Grim]

for me, i get that we have low sack numbers on the season
but i actually don't think our 4 man rush has looked that bad since Mike Green stepped up and Dre'Mont Jones was acquired

it's not amazing, but those guys are winning

i'm all for crowding the LoS and sim pressuring and dropping guys out but cover 0 is just such a huge risk and it really doesn't work against seasoned veterans - that's the type of stuff you throw at rookie QBs not aaron rodgers... and it was also so unnecessary with the steelers on their 3rd string tackle too

This sums me up completely. I don’t think Jones and Green are bad. I think it’s really what we’re calling. The blitzes haven’t been well disguised nor are they working. We’re not really even bailing much. It’s just bad coordinating

 

[Grim]

I totally understand harping on the refs, but also every time I see a replay of the Likely catch... just tuck that ball in man. Be a dog.

THIS!

It would be one thing if this was an outlier but this dude has costed us before here. Literally, the week prior he cost us a TD because his hands are allergic to the end zone

This guy Likely in his own head about his contract. No way I’ll think any differently. He was making these catches last year and other years and suddenly forgets?

Nah

 

[Truth]

well and the fair few sacks and throwaways when guys just weren't getting open

There were definitely a few of those. Granted, also throws not made or made later that were there, so not the cleanest of operations overall.

 

[gtalk12]

Shannon sharpe spent 10 min cooking Daniel lmaoooo

 

[Truth]

As I said, I know we have way too many issues to do anything. I just think it's ironic the same issues that got Cam Cameron fired with his playcalling and the lack of carries for Rice is exactly the problem with Monken. Henry disappears full quarters, like that's unacceptable.

They're not in the same realm, I'd argue. Rice was 14th in carries that season, Henry's currently 4th. Yesterday, he had 25 carries (2nd most in the NFL), with no less than 5 per quarter. It's exceedingly hard to use this as an example of uneven rushing usage.

 

[purplepittabread88]

and the thing about that is... that's not EDC's decision to not play the other guys

i do think the cupboard was pretty bare in terms of OL depth this year - 2024 had a good starting 5 but also high level backups that gave you confidence

2025 did not have the depth to give the team enough options in case we saw regression or injuries somewhere

Exactly - and things honestly went pretty best case with 0 injuries >1 week injuries on the linr - when has that ever happened we were lucky in such a sense

Even going from Josh jones to noteboom was a HUGE downgrade, as Ronnie is almost a lock to miss a few games. Edcs extremely lucky our lack of depth hasn't had to been explored

 

[UPennChem]

And the behavior that will always be funny to me is "I didn't spend 20 minutes reviewing years of what's he's done" and then admitted "I just put 3 down there because they popped into my head, without really thinking about whether they were good examples for my argument or not".

That will always be funny to me as well.

2 of the 3 examples you provided literally didn't even meet your own arbitrary criteria for your point. That's the true comedy.

I'm glad to have brought a laugh to your day

 

[OURavensFan]

Well I suppose a positive is we probably saved Tomlin his job.

Is it a positive, he owns us

 

[OURavensFan]

for me, i get that we have low sack numbers on the season
but i actually don't think our 4 man rush has looked that bad since Mike Green stepped up and Dre'Mont Jones was acquired

it's not amazing, but those guys are winning

i'm all for crowding the LoS and sim pressuring and dropping guys out but cover 0 is just such a huge risk and it really doesn't work against seasoned veterans - that's the type of stuff you throw at rookie QBs not aaron rodgers... and it was also so unnecessary with the steelers on their 3rd string tackle too

Did we even pressure Rodgers once? The pass rush is not getting it done

 

[OURavensFan]

Aaron Rodgers talked about how he wasn’t put on the ground one single time

 

[Deebo813]

Aaron Rodgers talked about how he wasn’t put on the ground one single time

Pass rush has been terrible since macdonald left. We got sacks with a bunch of guys who arent even good pass rushers but nobody wanted to believe it was his scheme that helped us. We have way too talented of a defense to be this ass. Watching texans last night, them boys are dogs frfr lol. That shit is scary how well they play together

 

[OURavensFan]

Pass rush has been terrible since macdonald left. We got sacks with a bunch of guys who arent even good pass rushers but nobody wanted to believe it was his scheme that helped us. We have way too talented of a defense to be this ass. Watching texans last night, them boys are dogs frfr lol. That shit is scary how well they play together

Yes that defense is actually good

 

[OURavensFan]

Harbaugh said the league got the FG call wrong

 

[JO_75]

Harbaugh said the league got the FG call wrong

No duh lol. Pretty much cost us the game, take away the 4 points and the score is 23-22 Pittsburgh. Instead of needing a Touchdown, we could have won on a game winning Field Goal, 25-23.

 

[cobrajet]

No duh lol. Pretty much cost us the game, take away the 4 points and the score is 23-22 Pittsburgh. Instead of needing a Touchdown, we could have won on a game winning Field Goal, 25-23.

I was so pissed that we went for it on fourth down and didnt kick the FG when we were in range to get within 2 points and let the defense get the stop, which they did. It is a lot tougher to try to get a touchdown then get into FG range with no timeouts. Seems like Harbaugh always screws this team out of a win with being too aggressive.