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The Refs, the Special Teams, and the Mistakes

UPennChem said:
The one thing I'm happy about is the likelihood that any of our 3 coordinators are back next year is low. I have been no fan of Todd even from his first season. Guy's so pedestrian it's nuts. And Orr just isn't a good coordinator. Probably not the full on liability of the beginning part of last season but obviously a below average coordinator. Horton has pretty much never had a good STs unit outside Tucker individually being legit af.

Soooo many of Lamar's years wasted
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Surely if Harbs is fired, the new HC would bring in his own staff
 
Sandtown said:
this is likely the worst offensive line Lamar has played with in his career but it's not true that EDC and Harb has wasted 4+ years of Lamar career but not bothering to put a good line in front of him. Has Lamer been playing around elite offense like for most of his career ? No but not many teams can say that either because of the quality of offensive lineman coming out of college and are playing in the NFL isn't really all that great . Ravens simply not going to fire both EDC and Harb after this season. I highly doubt EDC would be fired it doesn't make since to fired GM having season like this for the first time in GM career . Harbaugh is likely the only one I can think of that would be less safe from being fired but it's highly unlikely EDC is being fired . That just not a logical decision by the ravens owner to make that move . The ravens aren't the jets
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2020, 2021, 2024, 2025 is four years of shit o-lines right there. We know that Lamar is a perpetual MVP QB when he is given time and yet we made the stupid decision after 2023 to get younger and cheaper because "we want continuity" instead of trying to put the five best players in front of Lamar. EDC owns this failure of a roster just as much as Harbs does and they both deserve the boot. This team does nothing well and it relies on Lamar being Lamar in order to win games, that is atleast partially EDC's fault. Holding onto a failure of a gm and letting them pick coach after coach is also how you end up being a bottom feeding organization, just ask the Giants.
 
CanadianRavensFan said:
2020, 2021, 2024, 2025 is four years of shit o-lines right there. We know that Lamar is a perpetual MVP QB when he is given time and yet we made the stupid decision after 2023 to get younger and cheaper because "we want continuity" instead of trying to put the five best players in front of Lamar. EDC owns this failure of a roster just as much as Harbs does and they both deserve the boot. This team does nothing well and it relies on Lamar being Lamar in order to win games, that is atleast partially EDC's fault. Holding onto a failure of a gm and letting them pick coach after coach is also how you end up being a bottom feeding organization, just ask the Giants.
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I absolutely think there were mistakes made by not addressing the OL heading into the season...

But it could be so so so so so much worse than EDC. He's put together some top notch rosters the last few seasons. Just because they aren't playing up to it this season doesn't mean the talent isn't there. The OL is a problem but it's not the only thing losing us games.
 
Simba said:
I absolutely think there were mistakes made by not addressing the OL heading into the season...

But it could be so so so so so much worse than EDC. He's put together some top notch rosters the last few seasons. Just because they aren't playing up to it this season doesn't mean the talent isn't there. The OL is a problem but it's not the only thing losing us games.
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Idk if you have info from your guy, but from your own perspective, what’s the percentage of Harbs being fired at the end of this season as of this evening?
 
CanadianRavensFan said:
2020, 2021, 2024, 2025 is four years of shit o-lines right there. We know that Lamar is a perpetual MVP QB when he is given time and yet we made the stupid decision after 2023 to get younger and cheaper because "we want continuity" instead of trying to put the five best players in front of Lamar. EDC owns this failure of a roster just as much as Harbs does and they both deserve the boot. This team does nothing well and it relies on Lamar being Lamar in order to win games, that is atleast partially EDC's fault. Holding onto a failure of a gm and letting them pick coach after coach is also how you end up being a bottom feeding organization, just ask the Giants.
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Here's the offensive line rankings from 2020 - 2024
 

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Simba said:
I absolutely think there were mistakes made by not addressing the OL heading into the season...

But it could be so so so so so much worse than EDC. He's put together some top notch rosters the last few seasons. Just because they aren't playing up to it this season doesn't mean the talent isn't there. The OL is a problem but it's not the only thing losing us games.
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True coaching is playing a bugh part in why we aren't winning games but EDC has neglected both the OL and the DL and that has caught with us this season.
 
JAAM said:
Idk if you have info from your guy, but from your own perspective, what’s the percentage of Harbs being fired at the end of this season as of this evening?
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I've caveated before that my line is into EDC and the front office. With Harbaugh reporting to Bisciotti, it's hard to say anything definitively. But I can say this is the most chatter my guy has ever heard about it and it sounds like a possibility. It still seems like Harbaugh would get the "step away" treatment as opposed to being fired, but the result is the same.

For me personally, I can't imagine they're content with being one of the SB favorites 3 years in a row - failing spectacularly in the playoffs 2 years in a row and now potentially not making the playoffs at all.
 
Simba said:
I absolutely think there were mistakes made by not addressing the OL heading into the season...

But it could be so so so so so much worse than EDC. He's put together some top notch rosters the last few seasons. Just because they aren't playing up to it this season doesn't mean the talent isn't there. The OL is a problem but it's not the only thing losing us games.
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I wouldn't move on from EDC... unless he insists on keeping Harbaugh
 
OURavensFan said:
Something better happen
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Simba said:
I absolutely think there were mistakes made by not addressing the OL heading into the season...

But it could be so so so so so much worse than EDC. He's put together some top notch rosters the last few seasons. Just because they aren't playing up to it this season doesn't mean the talent isn't there. The OL is a problem but it's not the only thing losing us games.
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Respectively I disagree. The o line has been shit all year, and frankly it's been shit for a few years now...hence Lamar gets hurt. Lamar has been stellar at time, but he has sacked as much too. The D sucks ass until halfway through the season...and sucked today. I saw so many missed tackles...I lost count.

Too many dropped passes in key moments that should have been caught. No home field advantage anymore. Coaching sucks and nothing changes.

So here we are...Ravens have no identity, years of a vaulted defense have long set sail. Inept head coach who frankly sucks. OC is asleep at the wheel 90% of the time.

Time to burn it down, because right now the Baltimore Ravens are a rudderless ship of shitty football.
 
Dean said:
Respectively I disagree. The o line has been shit all year, and frankly it's been shit for a few years now...hence Lamar gets hurt. Lamar has been stellar at time, but he has sacked as much too. The D sucks ass until halfway through the season...and sucked today. I saw so many missed tackles...I lost count.

Too many dropped passes in key moments that should have been caught. No home field advantage anymore. Coaching sucks and nothing changes.

So here we are...Ravens have no identity, years of a vaulted defense have long set sail. Inept head coach who frankly sucks. OC is asleep at the wheel 90% of the time.

Time to burn it down, because right now the Baltimore Ravens are a rudderless ship of shitty football.
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Burning it down means the window with Lamar closes. I don't think that's what you want.
 
EDC has made the same egregious errors multiple times. He's not the worst GM in the league, not even close. He's got a lot of talent, but it's so obvious he needs to evolve. If he blindly commits to the exact way he's gone about things you're not winning a SB.

Harbaugh just doesn't bring much to the team. He isn't a genius on either side of the ball and hia coordinator selection is just so suspect.

This year was blown from the beginning because of OL play and injuries piled up along with losses. It is what it is but 2 things are for certain.

1) Harbaugh's leadership is stale

2) EDC MUST look at the data and evolve
 
Like many of you alluded to that this team has no identity. We don't do anything particularly well. I wonder when they get together for the game plan what in the heck are they planning. We seem so unprepared for big games.

We don't run enough when we are running well. If our oline is so porous why not go to the quick passing game. Just so many questionable decisions from this coaching staff. We can't afford to waste another year of Lamar with Harbaugh.
 
Simba said:
I've caveated before that my line is into EDC and the front office. With Harbaugh reporting to Bisciotti, it's hard to say anything definitively. But I can say this is the most chatter my guy has ever heard about it and it sounds like a possibility. It still seems like Harbaugh would get the "step away" treatment as opposed to being fired, but the result is the same.

For me personally, I can't imagine they're content with being one of the SB favorites 3 years in a row - failing spectacularly in the playoffs 2 years in a row and now potentially not making the playoffs at all.
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It doesn't help losing at home the way we have this year too. Got trounced by Houston earlier, losing to a divisional rival in primetime on Thanksgiving Night, with your own fans leaving the stadium early. Now back to back losses to division rivals at home, where the week before all the talk was how Mike Tomlin could be fired. Then you allow Tomlin to come in and win? You let Rodgers and the offense put up their best numbers in like two months? ON YOUR HOME TURF. He can't be happy having to see more fans of the opposing team being noticeably loud like we are playing on the road.

If your guy is hearing more chatter than usual, I think we might get some kind of news tomorrow. I don't think it will be Harbaugh but I truly think it's possible Monken is let go tomorrow and we are mutually parting ways with him or whatever. The offense is under performing way too much with too much talent on this team, something has got to change. If they want a short term answer now, we'll get the news of Monken getting fired tomorrow. Maybe Orr, as perhaps they see it more as a defensive issue with the offense putting up points and Orr simply not doing his job to keep the opposing offense out of the end zone.
 
JO_75 said:
It doesn't help losing at home the way we have this year too. Got trounced by Houston earlier, losing to a divisional rival in primetime on Thanksgiving Night, with your own fans leaving the stadium early. Now back to back losses to division rivals at home, where the week before all the talk was how Mike Tomlin could be fired. Then you allow Tomlin to come in and win? You let Rodgers and the offense put up their best numbers in like two months? ON YOUR HOME TURF. He can't be happy having to see more fans of the opposing team being noticeably loud like we are playing on the road.

If your guy is hearing more chatter than usual, I think we might get some kind of news tomorrow. I don't think it will be Harbaugh but I truly think it's possible Monken is let go tomorrow and we are mutually parting ways with him or whatever. The offense is under performing way too much with too much talent on this team, something has got to change. If they want a short term answer now, we'll get the news of Monken getting fired tomorrow. Maybe Orr, as perhaps they see it more as a defensive issue with the offense putting up points and Orr simply not doing his job to keep the opposing offense out of the end zone.
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I think you’re confusing what you want to happen with what will happen. I’ve been steadfast all season with never say never, but firing anyone at this stage is much more throwing in the towel than trying to improve and make a run.
 
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