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The “It’s Over”, the Offense, and the Turnovers

Adreme said:
Honestly, I have a weird take in that I am actually encouraged by the offense yesterday. Yes they had way too many turnovers but this was the first game you started to see glimpses of the actual Ravens offense. The fact that there were mistakes is concerning but less concerning than the past few weeks where it looked like a shell of itself. At least with this version you can look at the game and go "okay just execute better".
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I know what you mean, it’s so frustrating but if we win the rematch all is good (assuming we also beat the Steelers)
 
redrum52 said:
This isn't hindsight. Said from the move the only one of those we should have kept was Zeitler. The others made perfect
sense.

The loss looked bad. Lamar was awful and even when he wasnt someone else found a way to make a mistake. This loss doesn't really change much. Team controls its own fate but some changes need to be made in philosophy in the offseason.
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The season is not over by any stretch of the imagination

This is the craziest thing about it all. Even when Lamar found a way to get the offense going it did not matter. Somebody else coughed up opportunities or could not step up.

You've got to make plays man. You have to. Another receiver makes that play that Likely fumbles, another receiver plays the ball without pushing off of the CB (it was weak, I know, but he had that guy beat and did not need to do that), another receiver catches that ball Tez drops (yes it was contested) but who is going to step up?
 
gtalk12 said:
The season is not over by any stretch of the imagination

This is the craziest thing about it all. Even when Lamar found a way to get the offense going it did not matter. Somebody else coughed up opportunities or could not step up.

You've got to make plays man. You have to. Another receiver makes that play that Likely fumbles, another receiver plays the ball without pushing off of the CB (it was weak, I know, but he had that guy beat and did not need to do that), another receiver catches that ball Tez drops (yes it was contested) but who is going to step up?
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Super frustrating and a long 10 days to sit on this loss, the Bills can help ease the pain tho
 
Simba said:
My guy is hearing that you're overreacting. I'd say simply that nothing would surprise me, but firing someone in the middle of the season rarely results in anything positive for a team in contention. Cam Cameron is an extreme outlier.
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How much more can we "overreact" to the offense underperforming with the talent we have? How much more can we take with Monken's playcalling? It's frustrating seeing a talented offense be this ineffective against a terrible Bengals defense... I mean the Bears put up more points on that defense compared to us.
 
JO_75 said:
How much more can we "overreact" to the offense underperforming with the talent we have? How much more can we take with Monken's playcalling? It's frustrating seeing a talented offense be this ineffective against a terrible Bengals defense... I mean the Bears put up more points on that defense compared to us.
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I get it. It's frustrating. We should be better.

But Monken is not the guy out there that turned the ball over 5 times.
 
Ludy51 said:
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I generally don't agree with PFF but this seems accurate. Eye test says they tried a lot of things that were successful in recent weeks, but the Bengals clearly caught some cues on film and were able to snuff out the schemed pressure. Orr definitely needs to get back to the lab and switch some things up.
 
JO_75 said:
How much more can we "overreact" to the offense underperforming with the talent we have? How much more can we take with Monken's playcalling? It's frustrating seeing a talented offense be this ineffective against a terrible Bengals defense... I mean the Bears put up more points on that defense compared to us.
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The frustration definitely has some justification. But who takes over for Monken mid-year? Firing for cause with a plan in place is a feasible strategy. But letting someone go for the sake of feeling better is mismanagement in virtually every scenario. It's captivity through activity. The run game was abandoned too early. But we virtually had 3 TDs taken off the board yesterday with a fumble, a questionable OPI and an inability to corral a bomb through a possible DPI. Comparing this to the Bears outscoring us is more oranges than apples.
 
I think the worst part is this team seems mentally broken. Yesterday’s comedy of error has been too common for anyone to write off as an outlier and Lamar hasn’t been quite right this year.

Anything can happen but I don’t think this team will go far or anywhere if we manage to limp into the playoffs. I think they’ve lost my faith in them. Lamar has as well because he has struggled to keep himself straight and has struggled to shake off bad plays. Monken has called some very questionable plays. I have no confidence they will recover until the offseason. I think this team is mentally broken
 
Grim said:
I think the worst part is this team seems mentally broken. Yesterday’s comedy of error has been too common for anyone to write off as an outlier and Lamar hasn’t been quite right this year.

Anything can happen but I don’t think this team will go far or anywhere if we manage to limp into the playoffs. I think they’ve lost my faith in them. Lamar has as well because he has struggled to keep himself straight and has struggled to shake off bad plays. Monken has called some very questionable plays. I have no confidence they will recover until the offseason. I think this team is mentally broken
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That's fair. We look like a team that is capable of winning every week, but we also look like one that isn't able to kick into gear when either our opponents are getting in our way, or worse, we are. I have faith that we could make it into the postseason. We've just not felt like a team that could go on a run, unless put together a different product.

We'd need a healthy Lamar Jackson first, and I don't know that it happens this year. The raw numbers look similarly great, but his turnover worthy play percentage has essentially doubled from last year. Which isn't as catastrophic since it was exceedingly hard to replicate the incredibly low amount of miscues. But he had 30 big time throws through 17 games last year. He's got 5 through 9 games so far. And the rest of the team is just not subsidizing the difference.
 
Grim said:
I think the worst part is this team seems mentally broken. Yesterday’s comedy of error has been too common for anyone to write off as an outlier and Lamar hasn’t been quite right this year.

Anything can happen but I don’t think this team will go far or anywhere if we manage to limp into the playoffs. I think they’ve lost my faith in them. Lamar has as well because he has struggled to keep himself straight and has struggled to shake off bad plays. Monken has called some very questionable plays. I have no confidence they will recover until the offseason. I think this team is mentally broken
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What is it about the defense and special teams that makes you think those squads are “mentally broken”? Seems like they’ve actually, for the most part, improved as the season has progressed. I do think a few key injuries have hurt the D, but they’ve been respectable last few games.
 
Tank said:
What is it about the defense and special teams that makes you think those squads are “mentally broken”? Seems like they’ve actually, for the most part, improved as the season has progressed. I do think a few key injuries have hurt the D, but they’ve been respectable last few games.
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Defense has played well last few weeks (weak offensive opponents, but they showed improvement) and yesterday we left the defense out to hang.
 
Truth said:
That's fair. We look like a team that is capable of winning every week, but we also look like one that isn't able to kick into gear when either our opponents are getting in our way, or worse, we are. I have faith that we could make it into the postseason. We've just not felt like a team that could go on a run, unless put together a different product.

We'd need a healthy Lamar Jackson first, and I don't know that it happens this year. The raw numbers look similarly great, but his turnover worthy play percentage has essentially doubled from last year. Which isn't as catastrophic since it was exceedingly hard to replicate the incredibly low amount of miscues. But he had 30 big time throws through 17 games last year. He's got 5 through 9 games so far. And the rest of the team is just not subsidizing the difference.
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THIS!!!

Dude, that's about as concisely as anyone can put it. We get in our own way, a call goes against us, or - Heaven Forbid, a team adjusts to US and is successful! We wallow in being beaten and can't recover. To me, that's coaching. You can't get rid of every player that makes a mistake. But you can get rid of coaches that keep putting different players in the same situations and failing in those situations.
 
Tank said:
What is it about the defense and special teams that makes you think those squads are “mentally broken”? Seems like they’ve actually, for the most part, improved as the season has progressed. I do think a few key injuries have hurt the D, but they’ve been respectable last few games.
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Honestly? Lamar Jackson and the offense. The defense is doing well honestly. Special Teams has even improved. The real issue is our offense and that’s a major issue because you cannot win if you don’t have a capable offense. Lamar and most of these offensive players are disconnected somehow. Truly to me it seems they’re in their own heads. They think too much about making a play they aren’t. We won’t do anything if our offense doesn’t wake up. Monken is also extremely spotty
 
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