I love our secondary, but to compare them to seahwaks secondary is just crazy.
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2018 Secondary
- Thread starter JoeyFlex5
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The Seahawks are basically their safety tandem and nothing else.
I'm uncertain that it'd be seen as a big difference considering that Davis and Wright were just under 6'0 at 5'11. Jerraud Powers would be a more appropriate comparison given that he'd be a slightly less favorable 5'10, and that Davis only played 54 snaps last season before the injury.
I wouldn't go as far as nothing else aside from their safeties. Sherman's been shadowing recently, and he hasn't been the statue he was known to be throughout most of his career as he's seen a gradual increase in slot duties since 2015. He may have not been an elite corner this year, but at the very least, he was an above average starter, and the 63.8 QB rating he allowed in coverage was the 6th lowest in the league, so it's hard to say that he counts for nothing.
Okay, definitely unfair to say nothing else, but given the Seahawks regularity in playing Cover 3, I can't put him in that elite category of a guy like Talib, 2014 Jimmy, Harris, etc that just blank their man in man.
If I had tiers, he would be tier 2 to me.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
You're following hype from 4 years ago. The Seattle secondary hasn't been as good since they began letting their 2s and their depth guys leave in free agency.
Thomas, kam, and Sherman are an excellent trio, but jimmy, Weddle, and jefferson are right there with them, and our 2s/nickels/depth guys blow theirs out of the water.
An elite safety tandem and great #1 cb can do a lot for your team, but sometimes the secondary is only as strong as the weakest link. You can never have too many quality dbs, you can't stop efficient offenses if you have a depth db on the field getting torched. Their overall unit on paper can't come close to ours because ours has so much quality depth.
ZonaRaven
Practice Squad
This literally couldn't be more true on all fronts. Perfect examples are the NFL being a complete passers league from a rules standpoint and Melvin vs the Patriots a few years ago. Love what we've got going on this offseason and for the years to come.
Ok man if you really think our secondary, who hasnt proven anything is on par with the most proven secondary in last 5 yrs then idk what to tell you. Im not saying that we cant be, but we havent done anything yet. We look great on paper right now but thats all
Sherman got traded?
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
We had the best defense in the league for most of the season despite being really bad in the pass rush. I promise you our secondary has proven quite a bit, and then it has improved drastically with proven veteran starters
Now i agree with you on that. I guess time will tell
No, he's still a Seahawk
soz ive been a way a while so maybe someone brought this up already...
ill preface this with how much you have to take everything in OTAs and minicamp with a grain of salt but it sounds like maurice canady has been phenomenal and has been playing with the 1s and not looked out of place - if he can take the next step then that creates ridiculous amounts of depth in this secondary moving forward...
in the most recent highlights video on br.com there's a beautiful looking pass breakup vs mike wallace and obviously there's the 2 ints on film from earlier in otas - sometimes id wish they wouldnt follow the ball the whole time on those highlights and actually let us see the route rather than a random guy running with a ball with no context
so i guess what im wondering is whether anyone here has a reason to buy or sell canady turning into a difference maker given that he was stuck behind wright, powers etc. even before his injury (albeit he was a rookie 6th rounder)
ill preface this with how much you have to take everything in OTAs and minicamp with a grain of salt but it sounds like maurice canady has been phenomenal and has been playing with the 1s and not looked out of place - if he can take the next step then that creates ridiculous amounts of depth in this secondary moving forward...
in the most recent highlights video on br.com there's a beautiful looking pass breakup vs mike wallace and obviously there's the 2 ints on film from earlier in otas - sometimes id wish they wouldnt follow the ball the whole time on those highlights and actually let us see the route rather than a random guy running with a ball with no context
so i guess what im wondering is whether anyone here has a reason to buy or sell canady turning into a difference maker given that he was stuck behind wright, powers etc. even before his injury (albeit he was a rookie 6th rounder)
In the video where Eisenberg is discussing what to expect from the the team he specifically said two things that stand out
Canady is playing with confidence
Humphrey - he doesn't remember a pass being completed on him
Canady is playing with confidence
Humphrey - he doesn't remember a pass being completed on him
SepticeyePoe
Hall of Famer
I think he's with the 2s right now. He got an interception against Mallet in the video that the Ravens posted.
I'm sure he's rotating in and out, but he'd primarily be with the 2s at this stage.
He won't see the 1s consistently until TC.
Welcome back Rossi, glad to see you posting, I'd agree with you that I'd like to see the entire route vs the ball on some occasions. It would be awesome if Canady does pan out. We would have so much depth we wouldn't know what to do with it, especially when Young comes back next season. We should have so many problems.
Before I buy or sell Canady, I'd like to see him play in a real game, even pre season doesn't count much considering the game plans are pretty vanilla, even in game three.
SepticeyePoe
Hall of Famer
It'd be even more awesome because Canady was a 6th round pick.Welcome back Rossi, glad to see you posting, I'd agree with you that I'd like to see the entire route vs the ball on some occasions. It would be awesome if Canady does pan out. We would have so much depth we wouldn't know what to do with it, especially when Young comes back next season. We should have so many problems.
Before I buy or sell Canady, I'd like to see him play in a real game, even pre season doesn't count much considering the game plans are pretty vanilla, even in game three.
Generally speaking, I can see where you're coming from. I wouldn't place him in the elite group given that his performance wasn't in the Top 10 category. I'm personally not as hung up on schemes outside of Cover 2 for CBs considering that zone coverages have become somewhat of a constant. I haven't seen the stats from last season, but I remember reading that in 2015, 60.7% of the coverage snaps around the league incorporated at least some zone, and only three teams ran more man coverage than zone. Josh Norman's situation wasn't dissimilar considering that he's been in heavy quarters, and Cover 1 and Cover 3 schemes, and I thought highly of his abilities. It still matters when comparing corners in a vacuum. But I've cut Sherman some slack ever since watching him mostly shadow Dez Bryant in 2015 basically on an island in game where he came away with 4 PDs in 6 targets, the remaining ones going for -3 and 15 yards. He's been moving around far more regularly recently, and there's credit due there. But I can't fully disagree with most of the comments above.