So now it turns out the director of the CIA has warned Trump that Russia is destined to interfere in the mid-terms - Trump's response was not to impose sanctions almost universally called for in congress...
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The Raven
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You think Democrats should have compromised for free community college, which will be a necessity for gainful employment by 2030? You think we should have given something up for free community college? Why do you think that? Or, since you seem to think compromise is the end all be all, what do you think is the compromise for free community college, which amounts to critical job training that fuels the economy?
Seriously. Free community college is a workforce development tool to ensure the working and middle classes can compete in a changing marketplace. Why is that negotiable?
If you need me to explain how Obama was effective, you probably can't be convinced anyway, so I won't waste my time.
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Somerset Ravens
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If free community college was important to the Democrats they absolutely should have compromised. You must realize that everyone’s priorities are not the same. If the Democrats got free community college in exchange for giving the Republicans increased border security ( for example), both sides get something they want.
The was cute how you dodged explaining how Obama was an effective leader.
The Raven
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But we shouldn't have to compromise on something that helps raise working communities out of poverty. Are you fucking serious? Economic development requires compromise? Economic development and job training isn't everyone's priority? Well, you've said it all.
And look, you lived through the presidency. If you didn't come away impressed then I'm not gonna rehash it here, because you're clearly not on board.
why should they have to compromise if its a good deal... politics shouldnt be just about trading - if something is a good idea and helps multiple groups while harming none and also has bipartisan and public support then why should that be predicated on compromising on a different issue that is more contentious?
The Raven
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Bingo. Education and job training shouldn't be compromisable issues.
Somerset Ravens
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When you don’t have the power to make something happen compromise can be a way to make it happen. I wish you luck if you think you can go through life and not have to compromise . Sometimes the end justifies the means. You can stand on principle. I will stand on results.
We will obviously never agree on Obama as a leader.
for me personally its not about not compromising its about the idea that everything should be a compromise - which to me leaves no room for anything bipartisan to ever actually exist - it always creates a political sphere in which there is always competition which is antithesis to universal social change - it's the reason why so many governments now so often lag behind the social values of their constituents...
im not saying there's no place for compromise, on the contrary its important, but i think the assumption that compromise as a political trading tool for the sake of manoeuvring sets a bad precedent moving forwards that exacerbates an already adversarial space - maybe its already too late to move away from this trend - i certainly hope it doesnt take hold in the UK where the latest election almost destroyed 3rd party politics (and the next one may well further destroy it if we are not careful) - the brexit referendum has shifted the paradigm in uk politics and has created a pretty toxic adversarial conflict in almost every situation
Dom McRaven
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I always get a good laugh when half of the people clap and the others are like "Fuck this bitch." LMAOO!
cobrajet
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First of all, what the hell do you know about Federal Investigations? I would put our best Homicide Detective up against one of their best agents any day of the week. You don’t think the FBI can be involved in a scandal ten times bigger than the US Secret Service scandal involving prostitutes in Columbia? If not, you are pretty freaking naive! Second of all, you don’t know a God damn thing about me. Just because I have a sentimental avatar of an old taxi cab, don’t think I just pushed one around my whole life. I don’t know how old you are but I was probably writing search and seizure warrants at the FBI Field Office on Ambassdor Road, while they were kissing my ass because I was allowing one of their agents to be a co-affiant on my warrant so they could justify their worth, before you were in diapers. I was with the US Secret Service, I worked right here at the Baltimore Field Office at 100 S. Charles Street. Maybe I will let you see my USSS credentials and my Deputy US Marshal status one day. I will even bring my personal photo of me, our SAIC (Richard Rohde) and President Clinton. I have been part of so many Federal cases it would make your head spin. Have you ever been in the Box with a tin foil hat wearing asshole who threatened our President? I have. How many fraud committing Nigerians have you arrested, testified against in Federal Court, worked with the INS, and had deported? Trust me, I know what happens to special agents that fail to bow to the political whim of their superiors, they spend the next six years in Puerto Rico being sent out on every shit detail there is. The political bullshit in these government agencies would make you freaking sick. I would have slit my wrist if I was on the Presidental Detail under Clinton, because of Hillary. I don’t know one special agent that did not hate her guts. Ray Rice has nothing on her, she has beat Bill’s ass so many times it really is not funny. I can’t tell you how many times those two were on their way to an appearance, got into an argument, and never made it because they had to turn the limo around because she busted his lip. All I can say is thank God that foul mouthed nasty bitch did not get elected.
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed working with many special agents in the USSS, FBI, Dept of State, US Marshal Service, INS, ATF, and probably my personal favorite the US Postal Inpectors. There are some good agents out there and just like the police department, a few idiots. Sometimes these agencies work good together, sometimes hate each other, and sometimes stab each other in the back. I have been caught in the middle of that a few times. I have kicked in so many doors with so many agents that had my back and I had theirs. I also drank tons of beer with them. I have so many wild stories. I was also proud to salute my friend, Special Agent Sam Hicks, at his funeral, and glad the FBI named their field office building here after him. I will never forget chasing drug dealers down an alley with him in the Southwestern District when he was on field training. It was a sad day when I found out he was killed executing a search warrant near Pittsburgh.
Lastly, have you ever been accused of something you did not do? I am not talking about being accused by your mommy, when you know your little brother did it. I am talking about your name being dragged through the mud in the media by someone making a down right false report on your ass. It freaking sucks especially when your hands are tied and you are forced to sit there day after day and take it. It pisses you off, can put you into a serious depair, and you damn sure want to fight back. You can’t beat the shit out of the assholes in the media or the SOB that lied on you, but if you can strike back, you do it, or you are nothing but a sucker!
You asked me if I know more than the FBI? My answer to you is this, “I know a boatload more than you know about the FBI and I know enough to know that there is a fair possibility that Trump is being railroaded.” You also asked what would I do if I was the President and I was being railroaded? I would make your liberal head explode, that is what. I would pardon everyone they charged so far, then I would fire everyone I could that I suspected in helping let Hillary off the hook, and appoint anyone I could trust that would want the job, just because I could. I would then get someone to show me how to send out the first tweet of my entire life and it would read, “Hey Schumer, Hey Pelosi...How you like me now? #peacebitches” then I would go down to Mar-a-Lago because it is too freaking cold up here right now.
"To everyone still recovering in Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, California, and everywhere else– we are with you, we love you, and we will always pull through together. Always."
isnt it hypocritical to suggest that "we" will pull through together and reference puerto rico given how they've been abandoned by Trump's administration... especially when FEMA stopped distributing aid around Puerto Rico just yesterday without forewarning the puerto rican government - a third of puerto rico is still without power...
isnt it hypocritical to suggest that "we" will pull through together and reference puerto rico given how they've been abandoned by Trump's administration... especially when FEMA stopped distributing aid around Puerto Rico just yesterday without forewarning the puerto rican government - a third of puerto rico is still without power...
Rusfan
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Not even Wolverine could heal from that. DAMN
it's fair enough to go after him for provocation but my question is this...
maybe there's a fair possibility that Trump is being railroaded but surely there is an equally or even more fair possibility/probability that he is not being railroaded and is in fact being fairly investigated...
you mention bad eggs not being universal and it being the on-highs who advance a political agenda but you potentially lambast the FBI as a whole organisation - the top dog in the FBI is a Trump appointee and even he hasn't quashed or nulled the Mueller investigation so it suggests to me there is a very real possibility that something is going on
it's completely fair to question and obviously you have a more privileged position to judge than many of us but may i put forth that perhaps you are being a bit too quick to choose a side given that (I assume) you are not actually involved in the memos or the investigation into Trump or the investigation into Clinton...
like i think its completely fair to defend your own integrity but id venture to say its then a little hypocritical to go after the integrity of other law enforcement agents
just my two cents...
The Raven
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First, thanks for your service.
Second, if Trump was "railroaded," why did Comey re-open the Hillary investigation days before the election, all but ensuring her loss? I'll wait as long as it takes for you or someone to rationalize that.
Third, Comey and eight GOP-led Congressional investigations have yet to convict her of anything. The GOP hasn't been able to prove any kind of criminal wrongdoing. If they could, they would have. Yet, here we are. Any take on that? You seem convinced she's a criminal. What proof do you have that eight GOP-led Congressional investigations didn't?
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Rusfan
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Here's some fact-checking of Trump via UK a political correspondent (I'm posting these because I know that virtually none of you believe there is any objectivity on the "other" side of the US media):
- Trump said: Since the election, we have created 2.4 million new jobs, including 200,000 new jobs in manufacturing alone. After years of wage stagnation, we are finally seeing rising wages."
- Political Correspondent: Trump is counting jobs since election day 2016, about two months before he became president. About 1.8m Americans have found jobs since Trump’s inauguration, averaging over 11 months at slowest rate of hiring since 2010. The unemployment rate in December 2017 was 4.1%, a 17-year low around the country and an 18-year low in some cities. He is correct that wages started to rise, in a faltering way, since 2016.
- Trump said: "African-American unemployment stands at the lowest rate ever recorded, and Hispanic American unemployment has also reached the lowest levels in history."
- It is true that the unemployment rate for African Americans reached a record low in December 2017, dropping to 6.8% (the previous lows were 7% in April 2000 and September 2017). The unemployment rate for Hispanic Americans is not a record, but close to it, at 4.9% last month; the record is 4.8% in October 2017. Before he was elected and began to cite them, Trump repeatedly derided these unemployment numbers, from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, calling them “fake” and “nonsense”.
- Whether the president can take credit for these unemployment rates is more complicated, and tied up in the knotty, ambiguous question of how much any president can directly affect the economy, or only indirectly affect it through regulations, stimulus packages, and other measures.
- Unemployment across all demographics declined from 2010 to 2016, during six years of Barack Obama’s presidency. African American unemployment more than halved, from a 16.6% peak in April 2010 to 7.8% in January 2017; Hispanic American unemployment reached similarly fell from 13% in August 2009 to 5.9% in January 2017. Neither president can take sole credit for producing those jobs.
- From the Business Editor of the same publication: The US added 2.1 million jobs in 2017 and the unemployment rate, at 4.1%, is at a 17 year low. But the major gains in the jobs market were made under Obama who, again, took over during the worst recession since the Great Depression.
- The US added 11.48 million jobs under Obama and the unemployment rate, which peaked at 10% in 2009, fell to 4.8%. If this is anyone’s jobs market, it’s still Obama’s. Nor is it as great as the headline numbers suggest. There are still huge numbers of people out of the job market and pockets of deep unemployment in the US. And wage growth, slow under Obama, is still sluggish.
The Raven
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Trump: we're bringin back our coal!
Trump: doesn't mention solar, wind, or any other kind of renewable energy.
Trump just called for better job training, and the only policy point he mentioned is more vocational schools. I'm sorry but that's not even close to enough. But watch him spend the rest of the night on immigration.
The man's a threat to the future of the country.
Trump: doesn't mention solar, wind, or any other kind of renewable energy.
Trump just called for better job training, and the only policy point he mentioned is more vocational schools. I'm sorry but that's not even close to enough. But watch him spend the rest of the night on immigration.
The man's a threat to the future of the country.
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