I know that Brian Billick was trying to make positives out of Mallett's play in this last preseason game, but damn he was just flat out bad.
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Article: Crap Speculation. Kap to the RAVENS
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gtalk12
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Jammed it into their faces? For a long
There is no such thing as a release when in today's NFL players are still being verbally attacked for the color of their skin. This release is distorted, for too long I have watched people say shut up and play football and that players should not use that platform for anything political. 77% of the NFL is black or brown, if there is a political issue that disrupts our community then the NFL now has an issue to deal with.
These players have no idea how much power they really have, they are afraid to lose their jobs not realizing that they are the NFL. Nobody is going to watch Ravens football if the black players SAT OUT a game.
Perspective is a killer
Purple&Black#20
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He's hands down better than two and some would argue even Flacco. So if Aaron Rodgers was released today would you have the same mindset of we don't need a QB? Or would you try and make him a Raven with already having three QB's on your roster? It's the quality not quantity.
when that many coaches throw you aside, and given how poor he's looked in limited showings i think there's definitely been enough time either way
ok then - but if you want to completely depoliticise and escape in football for however many hours, then the national anthem needs to go because what about those people who watch football outside america, and the ads need to go because they have agendas that are trying to sell you stuff, and politicians should be banned from attending and no pre-game memorials or anything should take place...
of course football cant be separate from the real world when the people that play it and coach it and watch it are all part of a real world where stuff happens
its like saying writers and directors shouldnt put politics into their films... why shouldnt he use his platform?
and like others have mentioned, he didnt actively force people to make it into a deal, it was a personal protest albeit with obvious outwards intentions but until people mentioned it and noticed it and called him on it there was no issue
Edgar
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I think I have been clear about kaepernick's having every right to voice his opinion where he might see fit. I'm not sure how that is muddled in any way.
I feel at the same time, if anyone is somehow opposed to the anthem being played, they could come to their television late, they could write a letter expressing disapproval or they could simply not indulge themselves in the NFL.
This same philosophy would apply ultimately to anyone who felt the mixing of a protest with football and it's constant retreading of it by the media to be off putting. They certainly have every right to feel that way I should think.
I actually respect kaepernick a great deal for being the first, having a certain courage and for not going out of his way to draw attention to himself,(that is not to be put on him).
I should think art or music great bit different to football by the way.
Serrell Tuggs
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I agree with rossi that the NFL is always political. From the anthem to the fly pasts and honouring the military, to the way the Superbowl is presented to the team's wealthy owner, where most other sports give prizes to the athletes. Nothing I mentioned is very controversial but there is an overall rightward tilt to most things NFL.
I think part of the reason Kaepernick's protest has upset people is that it comes from another political perspective. People don't complain that things are too political when their own views are reflected - only things they don't like. That's why I agree that it's disingenuous to claim that you don't want politics in football. It's already there. Asking everyone to sign off on the anthem is a political act.
One more thing that sometimes gets lost in this discussion is that Kaepernick hasn't been very good for the past few years. He's a high quality back up who should be on a team, but he's not a starter anymore and wouldn't threaten Flacco's job. Even last year when Joe wasn't very good he was clearly better than Colin.
I think part of the reason Kaepernick's protest has upset people is that it comes from another political perspective. People don't complain that things are too political when their own views are reflected - only things they don't like. That's why I agree that it's disingenuous to claim that you don't want politics in football. It's already there. Asking everyone to sign off on the anthem is a political act.
One more thing that sometimes gets lost in this discussion is that Kaepernick hasn't been very good for the past few years. He's a high quality back up who should be on a team, but he's not a starter anymore and wouldn't threaten Flacco's job. Even last year when Joe wasn't very good he was clearly better than Colin.
but he could potentially be a challenge for mallett i think is more the point - there's no point signing kaep if there's no chance joe misses time but if there is a chance joe misses time then surely we need to find an option that can win us 1 or 2 games (or at least not lose those 1 or 2 games) like mallett seems to be unable to do given his play at this point
so if joe might not be ready for week 1 then it makes tons of sense to bring in higher potential candidates to compete with mallett be they kaep or anyone else...
so the fact that kaep is not signed suggests the team legitimately is confident that joe wont miss any regular season time... or they legitimately dont want kaep
Probably not but The Eagles didn't mind keeping Riley Cooper on the team after he said a racial slur in 2013. He even got a five year 25 million dollar contract extension by The Eagles in 2014.
Being honest, if we are in the position where we should even consider signing KAP, Aka Flacco will miss multiple games, I would much rather tank than put up a 6-10, to bad too matter but too good to get a nice pick.
ZonaRaven
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Literally said the same thing earlier today in different words and got lambasted by some. Literally, for the long term benefit of the franchise, why would we want a QB who will win us 6 games.
Queue the #troysmith2.0ers that will say Flacco cannot win us more than 6 games
Purple&Black#20
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Tank the season? We had the 20th toughest strength of schedule last year and finished 8-8. Our defense finished 7th and should finish top 3 this year and you wanna tank the season. Flacco played in all 16 games and we managed only an 8-8 record. San Francisco had the #1 toughest schedule with no team. Kaep had 16 touchdowns to 4 int on a horrible team and finished with a 91% qbr. We can win at least 10 games with him at QB and the weapons we'll have around him.
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JO_75
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If we trade for Josh McCown then I would say we are purposley tanking.
Imo, McCown's nickname should be Mr. Get us to 5 wins so we can tank but not bad enough where we all don't get fired. Think it is too long?
All I ever see is Kap threw 16tds and 4 picks. Those stats are the most misleading stats I've seen in a while. He scored nearly every single point in garage time. I remember the 49ers vs Falcons game where Kap made the game impossible to win within the first 10 minutes. He is an awful qb. If others want to use stats, I will too. What about his 180 yards averaged per game? Please, do not even argue with me to have him on the team unless you SAW HIM PLAY A FULL GAME LAST YEAR. Is he better than Mallet, yes most likely but I would much rather go with Woodrum and fail go 5-11 with Kap.
Ok people need to remember that there is a middle ground in terms of injuries between playing 16 games and missing an entire season - if flacco were to miss a couple of games at the start of the year then of course it would be worth signing Kaep if we knew that flacco was going to come back soon because kaep might win us a game out of those 1/2 whereas mallett might actively lose us those games
If flacco misses less than 4 games then there's absolutely no point in tanking
If flacco misses less than 4 games then there's absolutely no point in tanking
Purple&Black#20
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But you rather Flacco 200 yards a game plus 2 or 3 turnovers. That makes all the sense. Misleading...only misleading number about Flacco is his pay. Do you know the last four years he's 2nd behind Wentz in the worst touchdown/interception ratio. 1. Went, 2. Flacco, 3. Teddy Bridewater , 4. Blake Bottles. Look at this company! Don't worry, I'll never argue with you.
Serrell Tuggs
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Why would any ravens fan want to tank? That's for teams who have nothing - we have a defence and a QB. (If he gets back on form) Our biggest needs are right tackle and centre/guard. You don't need top picks in those positions. I'd rather my team tries to be as good as possible.
The only position worth tanking for is QB so if Joe has a career ending injury I could see your point. Otherwise, no.
The only position worth tanking for is QB so if Joe has a career ending injury I could see your point. Otherwise, no.
200 ypg plus 2 to 3 turnovers per game isn't accurate as well. He did have over 4K yards last year. Yes I'm aware he had the most attempts of any qb last season, but that's also not the point I'm trying to make.
Last year per game.
267 ypg 0.9 int per game. 64.9% completion
I'm not saying he had a good year last year. He did not, but he certainly isn't as bad as you are making him out to be.
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