The Pass Rush

[Oldfaithful]

He figures because of Young and Peanut, we won’t have a good run defense. I completely disagree.

Both are complete liabilities in the run game and everyone knows it. And we have the same overal personel as last year and it was the worst it's been for us in a long time. The dline all had good run stuffers. Couldn't stop it at all.

The defense as a whole will be fine, but I expect it to have it's struggles vs. the run overall..

That said.. Not vs. the bills. That oline is so laughably bad that I literally expect us to rag doll McCoy around.

 

[RavensMania]

Both are complete liabilities in the run game and everyone knows it. And we have the same overal personel as last year and it was the worst it's been for us in a long time. The dline all had good run stuffers. Couldn't stop it at all.

The defense as a whole will be fine, but I expect it to have it's struggles vs. the run overall..

That said.. Not vs. the bills. That oline is so laughably bad that I literally expect us to rag doll McCoy around.

Same personnel that has improved against the run. As you said, both Tim Williams and Judon can set the edge.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Same personnel that has improved against the run. As you said, both Tim Williams and Judon can set the edge.

But having two utter liabilities on the field isn't going to make it easier. Kenny Young was that terrible of a run defender at UCLA. During his time there they've sent guys like Kenny Clark into the NFL, yet Young was bad enough of a run defender to miss gaps entirely and blow massive runs. Joe Williams, who was just cut by the niners literally had massive success against that defense because Young was just that terrible. And tbh Peanut shouldn't be on the squad at all.

It'll likely improve from last year, but even the improved run defense wasn't amazing.

I have no worries about the pass defense at all. Run defense is more a slight worry, especially all the good backs we play this year.

 

[RavensMania]

But having two utter liabilities on the field isn't going to make it easier. Kenny Young was that terrible of a run defender at UCLA. During his time there they've sent guys like Kenny Clark into the NFL, yet Young was bad enough of a run defender to miss gaps entirely and blow massive runs. Joe Williams, who was just cut by the niners literally had massive success against that defense because Young was just that terrible. And tbh Peanut shouldn't be on the squad at all.

It'll likely improve from last year, but even the improved run defense wasn't amazing.

I have no worries about the pass defense at all. Run defense is more a slight worry, especially all the good backs we play this year.

Today’s NFL needs someone who can cover rbs and that is Kenny Young’s strength and I have no doubt our run defense will be good this year.

 

[rossihunter2]

Both are complete liabilities in the run game and everyone knows it. And we have the same overal personel as last year and it was the worst it's been for us in a long time. The dline all had good run stuffers. Couldn't stop it at all.

The defense as a whole will be fine, but I expect it to have it's struggles vs. the run overall..

That said.. Not vs. the bills. That oline is so laughably bad that I literally expect us to rag doll McCoy around.

The problem defending the run wasn’t through the middle it was losing outside contain and we now have edge guys who are far improved in that aspect

 

[JoeyFlex5]

The problem defending the run wasn’t through the middle it was losing outside contain and we now have edge guys who are far improved in that aspect

Agreed here. Our outside contain was atrocious last year and this year it didn’t look too good either, but Tim Williams clearly improved on that front

 

[Jacquouille]

So under Wink the pass rush looks ridiculous. Suggs still looks like Suggs.

Should be another 10+ sack year if he stays healthy.

But good god. Look at the rest of these guys.

Even Za'Darius looks significantly improved. Fucker looks like he's added some pass rushing moves. He was always a fantastic athlete, but he added a spin move to his arsenal. I don't want him going on the interior as often. But if he can get home more often, I could see him getting 4-8 sacks this year.

Tim Williams looks like a future 10 sack guy. Actually, fuck it. If he gets enough playing time this year he WILL be a 10+ sack guy. Yeah. I'm going there. The dude looks like he's in the best shape he's ever been in. His explosiveness and quickness around the edge look like it's returned and he's got enough moves in his arsenal to beat tackles. He's Randy Coture. A potential master of his craft who has a strong grip on every move in the book.

Matt Judon is proving me wrong and I'm loving it. He and Tim Williams look like they can now properly set an edge in the run game, which is an absolutely terrifying proposition. Judon is the power rusher with good speed. He's not Tim, Judon relies more on athletic ability to get the job done. He does have skill. He, like Williams might have pro bowl upside.

Now the defensive line itself. Urban is a great disruptor and a piece we missed last year as a 5T. He does everything pretty well.....He's a guy if healthy that is a good starter for you.

Pierce works better as a rotational guy but has pass rush ability due to that athletic ability.

Willie Henry has pro bowl upside. Super explosive first step and was really coming on towards the end of the year. He's added a lot of polish to that game.

Chris Wormley is your classic jack of all trades guy. He's a master of none, but he's good at everything and in limited time looked good last year. And to be honest, he's a guy who is starting caliber who can start for just about every team for 10 years and you never, ever complain about him. He is a stupid-ass replacement for Timmy Jernigan and that trade is still dumb.

Zach Seiler looks like a high third rounder. Ozzie might have ended his career with an utter steal. The dude is arguably the most athletic defensive lineman on the team(that's scary). He needs more polish, but a 7th rounder should not be this polished.

Lots of really good young guys here that should contribute as pass rushers...

I've said it countless times. We need to use the Eagles' strategy. HEAVY ROTATION. NEVER GET TIRED.

This amount of talent in the front seven, supplanted by stalwarts Suggs, CJ, and Williams, combined with the talent in the secondary. This defense might not just be good, it might be ELITE. I do have worries against the run.

If the offense is mediocre, we're a super bowl team with this amount of talent in the defense. And the offense might be a good unit.. Not just mediocre.

Amen to that. Seeing how Wink managed the rotation and kept everyone fresh and hungry is what has me excited. Everyone made plays.
Bowser also looked great and helped create some confusing packages. Mosley looked terrific, in full control.

 

[RavensMania]

Amen to that. Seeing how Wink managed the rotation and kept everyone fresh and hungry is what has me excited. Everyone made plays.
Bowser also looked great and helped create some confusing packages. Mosley looked terrific, in full control.

yeah totally psyched. now we need to Mosely a contract already.

 

[Grim]

yeah totally psyched. now we need to Mosely a contract already.

I wonder why we haven’t already done that.

 

[allblackraven]

I wonder why we haven’t already done that.

Maybe waiting on someone to set the MLB market? Who else is up soon?

 

[RavensMania]

I wonder why we haven’t already done that.

I don’t remember where I’ve read this, but I thought he only wanted a two yr contract and the Ravens wanted to give him a longer contract. The reason behind the two yr contract is to have it run to the end of the CBA, which is 2020.

We may have another work stoppage in 2020 as well. Pretty inevitable.

 

[Grim]

I don’t remember where I’ve read this, but I thought he only wanted a two yr contract and the Ravens wanted to give him a longer contract. The reason behind the two yr contract is to have it run to the end of the CBA, which is 2020.

We may have another work stoppage in 2020 as well. Pretty inevitable.

That makes a lot of sense. I know players are cognizant of that so yeah that’s definitely a possibility. Thanks for sharing I was wondering and now that makes sense. Kinda sucks for us though I mean that’s hard on your cap space if true.

 

[cdp]

I don’t remember where I’ve read this, but I thought he only wanted a two yr contract and the Ravens wanted to give him a longer contract. The reason behind the two yr contract is to have it run to the end of the CBA, which is 2020.

We may have another work stoppage in 2020 as well. Pretty inevitable.

Thats right it was Zrebiec one of the most reliable sources. Do we even extend players during the regular season? The last one I remember was Yanda.

 

[Oldfaithful]

... START TIM WILLIAMS. Yeah, I'm going there. He's at least able to consistently get into the backfield and now that he's displayed an ability to set an edge we need to start him. I told you all that Judon was getting overrated by the fanbase. He had a few plays where he was dominant but far and away more where he was average.

On the bright side it looks like I was very wrong about Kenny Young. The difference between his college tape and what he shows here as a whole is a hell of a lot different. Maybe he finally had access to real coaches, who knows.

 

[RavensMania]

... START TIM WILLIAMS. Yeah, I'm going there. He's at least able to consistently get into the backfield and now that he's displayed an ability to set an edge we need to start him. I told you all that Judon was getting overrated by the fanbase. He had a few plays where he was dominant but far and away more where he was average.

On the bright side it looks like I was very wrong about Kenny Young. The difference between his college tape and what he shows here as a whole is a hell of a lot different. Maybe he finally had access to real coaches, who knows.

It helps to have real coaches. His tape showed that he had some pretty bad instincts in run defense and had a hard time getting off of blocks, so you weren’t wrong not to like the pick in that regards. However he is very good in coverage and that’s needed in today’s NFL and what we needed next to Mosley. However he is showing that he is not only good in coverage but run defense. He could be a steal, but it’s still early.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

... START TIM WILLIAMS. Yeah, I'm going there. He's at least able to consistently get into the backfield and now that he's displayed an ability to set an edge we need to start him. I told you all that Judon was getting overrated by the fanbase. He had a few plays where he was dominant but far and away more where he was average.

On the bright side it looks like I was very wrong about Kenny Young. The difference between his college tape and what he shows here as a whole is a hell of a lot different. Maybe he finally had access to real coaches, who knows.

Agreed, obviously, being Tim Williams biggest fan I always thought the bashing of his run defense was a little overplayed and that he had shown some competence in that regard and just needed work, he had a few games on his college tape where he was flat out good setting the edge, and I really liked what I saw from him in preseason in his edge setting.

I’m very disappointed in judon, and ZDS fooled us again with a dominant week 1 performance. After Thursday night I think now is the time to give Tim and tyus their snaps, because what we had out there against a horrible OL was pathetic and not working. Neither of those 2 have ever shown anything less than competence, and I can’t understand why they aren’t on the field after seeing failure from the other 3 options

 

[Jacquouille]

I still don't see where that narrative that the pass rush was absent comes from. And if somebody uses the number of sacks as an argument he'll lose any sort of credibility.

 

[DeVito52]

I still don't see where that narrative that the pass rush was absent comes from. And if somebody uses the number of sacks as an argument he'll lose any sort of credibility.

Are you saying our pass rush vs the Bengals was good?

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I still don't see where that narrative that the pass rush was absent comes from. And if somebody uses the number of sacks as an argument he'll lose any sort of credibility.

It was bad because the pressure came few and far between. I understand they dialed up quick releases, but there were plenty of snaps where a good pass rush would’ve had plenty of time.

Not to mention when watching you just didn’t see many quality pressures, Suggs, judon, ZDS, and the interior, all were getting stonewalled, none of the edge guys were able to bend the edge with any sort of consistency, and a quality inside move or pocket collapsing was a rare sight.

 

[allblackraven]

It was bad because the pressure came few and far between. I understand they dialed up quick releases, but there were plenty of snaps where a good pass rush would’ve had plenty of time.

Not to mention when watching you just didn’t see many quality pressures, Suggs, judon, ZDS, and the interior, all were getting stonewalled, none of the edge guys were able to bend the edge with any sort of consistency, and a quality inside move or pocket collapsing was a rare sight.

Bengals pass was too quick for any real pressure to develop. We need couple dudes who can consistently rush inside. Can't wait for Henry to come back.