The Pass Rush

[Edgar]

I'm a Wormley believer, although a lot of our interior rush may come from LBs

Wormley has a ton of tools and if he has gotten stronger over year one off season he is definitely a very strong candidate to bring interior pressure. You see it in college consistently. Its a matter of it translating.

Are you referring to ILB's being used to create pressure?

 

[rossihunter2]

Think a dominant DT is a lowkey potential first round pick for us next year. Thinking out loud, I don't believe the FO is satisfied and they miss Ngata

Being that next year looks to be the year of the defensive tackle it would make sense that we might nab one

The last 3 years or so we’ve drafted with the strength of the draft in round 1:

Stanley in a strong OL class
Humphrey in a corner class
Lamar Jackson in a strong qb draft (obviously we got hurst too)
I think drafting against the strength of the draft in 2015 burnt us and we learned a valuable lesson not to dabble solely with need

 

[Oldfaithful]

Being that next year looks to be the year of the defensive tackle it would make sense that we might nab one

The last 3 years or so we’ve drafted with the strength of the draft in round 1:

Stanley in a strong OL class
Humphrey in a corner class
Lamar Jackson in a strong qb draft (obviously we got hurst too)
I think drafting against the strength of the draft in 2015 burnt us and we learned a valuable lesson not to dabble solely with need

To strengthen your point last years class was a good TE class too. Nothing comparable to 2017, but Hurst would’ve likely been a first round talent in that draft too.

We’ve been targeting the strengths in the first round and it’s paid off thus far. Except 2015 which honestly looks like it could go down as the worst draft of Ozzie’s career.

We shall see what Eric does moving forward. I’m not optimistic about Eric. Even with the killer offseason I think Ozzie is kind of behind on the times and Eric just might be more of the same. But we shall see. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong

 

[RavensMania]

To strengthen your point last years class was a good TE class too. Nothing comparable to 2017, but Hurst would’ve likely been a first round talent in that draft too.

We’ve been targeting the strengths in the first round and it’s paid off thus far. Except 2015 which honestly looks like it could go down as the worst draft of Ozzie’s career.

We shall see what Eric does moving forward. I’m not optimistic about Eric. Even with the killer offseason I think Ozzie is kind of behind on the times and Eric just might be more of the same. But we shall see. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong

Some people just don't see a good thing, even when it's in front of them. No GM is good every year, but the consistency that Ozzie has shown for the most part is better than other GM's and he also rocks it in the middle rounds. If Eric Decosta is half as good as Ozzie we will be in very good shape.

 

[rossihunter2]

To strengthen your point last years class was a good TE class too. Nothing comparable to 2017, but Hurst would’ve likely been a first round talent in that draft too.

We’ve been targeting the strengths in the first round and it’s paid off thus far. Except 2015 which honestly looks like it could go down as the worst draft of Ozzie’s career.

We shall see what Eric does moving forward. I’m not optimistic about Eric. Even with the killer offseason I think Ozzie is kind of behind on the times and Eric just might be more of the same. But we shall see. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong

2015 we drafted away from the strengths of the class (although that draft wasnt clearly strong in a particular grouping - it was just straight up trash across the board mostly) - not a single position group looked (or looks in hindsight) particularly deep in 2015

 

[Adreme]

2015 we drafted away from the strengths of the class (although that draft wasnt clearly strong in a particular grouping - it was just straight up trash across the board mostly) - not a single position group looked (or looks in hindsight) particularly deep in 2015

I might be wrong because it was so long ago but wasn't that considered a great WR class?

 

[SepticeyePoe]

I might be wrong because it was so long ago but wasn't that considered a great WR class?

I think that might've been 2014.

 

[rossihunter2]

I might be wrong because it was so long ago but wasn't that considered a great WR class?

it was supposedly good - but not particularly spectacular or even great or deep - i think the reason so many teams over-drafted the wrs in 2015 is because the 2014 wr draft included instant playmakers and multiple borderline instant superstars...

amari cooper and kevin white were both drafted top 10 but both were clearly overdrafted - ironically after 2 years of looking like a complete bust, nelson aghalor might be the best wr of the draft - the other options for that honour would be devin funchess who's fairly unspectacular but decent, but more likely stefon diggs (and fairplay to him he did tell everyone at the combine that he was the number 1 receiver in the class but nobody took him til round 5 still)

the way i always pictured the 2015 draft was through the lens of it being a resurgence of RB talent - i remember watching gurley over and over and over and hoping that the injury issues would drop him near us (alas he never even got close)

but gurley, melvin gordon, david johnson, duke johnson, tevin coleman, jay ajayi all came out of that class and all look phenomenal (duke johnson and tevin coleman play just as many snaps -if not more than - the "starters" on their teams but arent called starters because they dont take all the 1st downs)
and beyond that some decent rotational backs: tj yeldon, ameer abdullah, buck allen
and some guys who had solid seasons as lead backs: jeremy langford, matt jones

 

[Edgar]

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The ravens weren't, perhaps aren't going to give Tim Williams consistent snaps until he is a more well rounded outside backer. I wasn't counting but I think he had a grand total of two snaps vs. Jacksonville after a pretty good showing vs. Cleveland.
Here he wins off edge but no one else forces the issue beside him.

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This is a tough one but he has to get/stay outside. Bell is so slick in following a pulling DeCastro.

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The very next play. Steelers run at him again and this time does a better job and Bell is forced inside.

 

[Jacquouille]

Are you referring to ILB's being used to create pressure?

Both OLBs and ILBs. Mosley is a hell of a blitzer but we also had success lining Boswer or Judon against guards.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

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The ravens weren't, perhaps aren't going to give Tim Williams consistent snaps until he is a more well rounded outside backer. I wasn't counting but I think he had a grand total of two snaps vs. Jacksonville after a pretty good showing vs. Cleveland.
Here he wins off edge but no one else forces the issue beside him.

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This is a tough one but he has to get/stay outside. Bell is so slick in following a pulling DeCastro.

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The very next play. Steelers run at him again and this time does a better job and Bell is forced inside.

That rush vs Jacksonville was a fucking beauty. In such a ridiculously tiny sample size Tim Williams has a really good catalog of film already. He has plays where he puts on an absolute clinic of edge rush, and then of course the usual stalemate plays are plentiful, but that’s all pass rushers. For the really low snap count he had, he’s shown some impressive stuff. Sometimes a whole play has to come together to result in a sack, and with a very low snap count the law of averages is not in his favor. If he had the same snap count as ZDS I have no doubts that he’s at least an 8 sack guy

 

[Oldfaithful]

That rush vs Jacksonville was a fucking beauty. In such a ridiculously tiny sample size Tim Williams has a really good catalog of film already. He has plays where he puts on an absolute clinic of edge rush, and then of course the usual stalemate plays are plentiful, but that’s all pass rushers. For the really low snap count he had, he’s shown some impressive stuff. Sometimes a whole play has to come together to result in a sack, and with a very low snap count the law of averages is not in his favor. If he had the same snap count as ZDS I have no doubts that he’s at least an 8 sack guy

bUt zA’dArIUs hAs EArnEd thOsE snAps And tIm hAs dOnE nOthIng tO EArn mOrE

 

[JoeyFlex5]

bUt zA’dArIUs hAs EArnEd thOsE snAps And tIm hAs dOnE nOthIng tO EArn mOrE

OHHHHHH MYYYY FUCKING GODDDDDD thank you for putting those people on blast in the best way.

Those who act like Harbaugh has ever been sensible with rookies, or better yet, pees. Tim has earned more, which is incredibly apparent by the high percentage of pass rush snaps he turned into pressures(or at least a thorough beating of the blocker). And I have to ask, wtf has ads done to earn snaps?

 

[Edgar]

Both OLBs and ILBs. Mosley is a hell of a blitzer but we also had success lining Boswer or Judon against guards.

Hopefully we are not reliant on linebackers to generate interior pressure. I see limited success last year when Judon and Bowser line up over a guard. That could improve but I wouldn't hope for either taking significant snaps inside based on last year's tape.

I did note some success with them stunting inside however. Mosley was way too often used in packages last year. He'll finish if he's clean but anyone picks him up and he's done.

 

[Edgar]

That rush vs Jacksonville was a fucking beauty. In such a ridiculously tiny sample size Tim Williams has a really good catalog of film already. He has plays where he puts on an absolute clinic of edge rush, and then of course the usual stalemate plays are plentiful, but that’s all pass rushers. For the really low snap count he had, he’s shown some impressive stuff. Sometimes a whole play has to come together to result in a sack, and with a very low snap count the law of averages is not in his favor. If he had the same snap count as ZDS I have no doubts that he’s at least an 8 sack guy

It would be great if he can approach the leap that Judon made in his second year. If Williams attains close to that level in coverage and against the run...watch out.
So far as his rush, I can think of once where I've seen him work inside. I think of him as fairly advanced inside and Id like to see him get the opportunity to really work on a tackle during the course of a game as he's a pretty cerebral rusher.

 

[Jacquouille]

It would be great if he can approach the leap that Judon made in his second year. If Williams attains close to that level in coverage and against the run...watch out.
So far as his rush, I can think of once where I've seen him work inside. I think of him as fairly advanced inside and Id like to see him get the opportunity to really work on a tackle during the course of a game as he's a pretty cerebral rusher.

+10
Let the man work

 

[Oldfaithful]

So under Wink the pass rush looks ridiculous. Suggs still looks like Suggs.

Should be another 10+ sack year if he stays healthy.

But good god. Look at the rest of these guys.

Even Za'Darius looks significantly improved. Fucker looks like he's added some pass rushing moves. He was always a fantastic athlete, but he added a spin move to his arsenal. I don't want him going on the interior as often. But if he can get home more often, I could see him getting 4-8 sacks this year.

Tim Williams looks like a future 10 sack guy. Actually, fuck it. If he gets enough playing time this year he WILL be a 10+ sack guy. Yeah. I'm going there. The dude looks like he's in the best shape he's ever been in. His explosiveness and quickness around the edge look like it's returned and he's got enough moves in his arsenal to beat tackles. He's Randy Coture. A potential master of his craft who has a strong grip on every move in the book.

Matt Judon is proving me wrong and I'm loving it. He and Tim Williams look like they can now properly set an edge in the run game, which is an absolutely terrifying proposition. Judon is the power rusher with good speed. He's not Tim, Judon relies more on athletic ability to get the job done. He does have skill. He, like Williams might have pro bowl upside.

Now the defensive line itself. Urban is a great disruptor and a piece we missed last year as a 5T. He does everything pretty well.....He's a guy if healthy that is a good starter for you.

Pierce works better as a rotational guy but has pass rush ability due to that athletic ability.

Willie Henry has pro bowl upside. Super explosive first step and was really coming on towards the end of the year. He's added a lot of polish to that game.

Chris Wormley is your classic jack of all trades guy. He's a master of none, but he's good at everything and in limited time looked good last year. And to be honest, he's a guy who is starting caliber who can start for just about every team for 10 years and you never, ever complain about him. He is a stupid-ass replacement for Timmy Jernigan and that trade is still dumb.

Zach Seiler looks like a high third rounder. Ozzie might have ended his career with an utter steal. The dude is arguably the most athletic defensive lineman on the team(that's scary). He needs more polish, but a 7th rounder should not be this polished.

Lots of really good young guys here that should contribute as pass rushers...

I've said it countless times. We need to use the Eagles' strategy. HEAVY ROTATION. NEVER GET TIRED.

This amount of talent in the front seven, supplanted by stalwarts Suggs, CJ, and Williams, combined with the talent in the secondary. This defense might not just be good, it might be ELITE. I do have worries against the run.

If the offense is mediocre, we're a super bowl team with this amount of talent in the defense. And the offense might be a good unit.. Not just mediocre.

 

[allblackraven]

I do have worries against the run.

Why? We have 2nd best run stuffing NT in the league, young guys have improved setting the edge, Wormley and Urban aren't bad in run game either. Mosley is great, Jefferson will play close to the box at his full strength (unlike last year).

With #22 out first 4 games and oldish high safety, I have much more worries about our pass coverage.

 

[DeVito52]

Why? We have 2nd best run stuffing NT in the league, young guys have improved setting the edge, Wormley and Urban aren't bad in run game either. Mosley is great, Jefferson will play close to the box at his full strength (unlike last year).

With #22 out first 4 games and oldish high safety, I have much more worries about our pass coverage.

Yeah I don’t have any worries about the defense tbh. Our run defense will be fine if we can set the edge, which I think we will do just fine with.

 

[RavensMania]

Why? We have 2nd best run stuffing NT in the league, young guys have improved setting the edge, Wormley and Urban aren't bad in run game either. Mosley is great, Jefferson will play close to the box at his full strength (unlike last year).

With #22 out first 4 games and oldish high safety, I have much more worries about our pass coverage.

He figures because of Young and Peanut, we won’t have a good run defense. I completely disagree.