Quarterback thread

[rossihunter2]

I get through a Ravens season and Joe Flacco comparisons by simple comparing him to any Cleveland Browns QB. Since Jon Gruden may not have his QB show on ESPN, the advantages of his coaching prospective will be missed. I'll check Mason Rudolph out. He better not be another Redman. lol

top 4 qbs in the draft for me are Rosen, Darnold, Allen and Baker Mayfield who could all go top 10 depending on a team's particular flavour etc.

those are my only 4 qbs with round 1 grades (and i dont see that changing much tbh)

i think lamar jackson will go in the first round but i honestly wouldnt feel comfortable putting a first round grade on him and i might even struggle to put a 2nd round grade on him tbh

in the same way but for different reasons im not sure i can put even a 2nd round grade on rudolph but im not sure he makes it to round 3 in real life...

i think we could potentially see 8 qbs (i certainly think 7 is probable even if i dont end up with 7 day 2 grades...) go by the end of day 2:

Rosen
Darnold
Allen
Mayfield
Falk
Rudolph
Jackson
Benkert

all have a chance at being day 1/2 selections

 

[stampedehero]

top 4 qbs in the draft for me are Rosen, Darnold, Allen and Baker Mayfield who could all go top 10 depending on a team's particular flavour etc.

those are my only 4 qbs with round 1 grades (and i dont see that changing much tbh)

i think lamar jackson will go in the first round but i honestly wouldnt feel comfortable putting a first round grade on him and i might even struggle to put a 2nd round grade on him tbh

in the same way but for different reasons im not sure i can put even a 2nd round grade on rudolph but im not sure he makes it to round 3 in real life...

i think we could potentially see 8 qbs (i certainly think 7 is probable even if i dont end up with 7 day 2 grades...) go by the end of day 2:

Rosen
Darnold
Allen
Mayfield
Falk
Rudolph
Jackson
Benkert

all have a chance at being day 1/2 selections

I agree with you on your Lamar Jackson prospective. I wonder if Ravens management would be stupid and re sign Mallet.

 

[rossihunter2]

I agree with you on your Lamar Jackson prospective. I wonder if Ravens management would be stupid and re sign Mallet.

free agency happens before the draft so i imagine unless we get a different cheap free agent backup that we will see mallet returning and being on the roster for training camp (maybe very little guaranteed money) and if he gets beat out by a draft pick then good but we cant go into the season with just joe

 

[JO_75]

What do you guys think of the reports of us having interest in Josh Allen if he were to be there at 16?

 

[Dom McRaven]

What do you guys think of the reports of us having interest in Josh Allen if he were to be there at 16?

For whatever reason, this screams like smokescreen to me, but take my opinion with a grain of salt as I don't spend any time studying prospects.

 

[Oldfaithful]

For whatever reason, this screams like smokescreen to me, but take my opinion with a grain of salt as I don't spend any time studying prospects.

Given that there are 2 playoff teams with eerie QB situations along with a team or two who’s QB is legit a year or two away from retrieing it’s most certainly a smokescreen. I’m not a huge Josh Allen fan in the short run, but I could see why teams would covet him. If the opportunity is there to get him in a trade you take the money and you run. Some team would give up a metric fuckload to go get a Qb.

Preferably the Bills

 

[UKRaven]

What do you guys think of the reports of us having interest in Josh Allen if he were to be there at 16?

Hoping that it's our 1st smoke screen and I'm looking at the Bills needing a QB a few spots back. They have 2 1sts so get the 1st of the 2 and another pick/s and move back if his there.

For the record I really like Allen, his my 2nd QB behind Rosen and I know we need to start thinking about QB but for this particular draft I think its more important we give Flacco some actual targets, then use next season to see with some actual (hopefully) playmakers around him and if we go another year or so, or end of next season we start to look at moving on.

Would rather we address QB with someone like Falk in this draft and develop him behind

 

[RavensMania]

top 4 qbs in the draft for me are Rosen, Darnold, Allen and Baker Mayfield who could all go top 10 depending on a team's particular flavour etc.

those are my only 4 qbs with round 1 grades (and i dont see that changing much tbh)

i think lamar jackson will go in the first round but i honestly wouldnt feel comfortable putting a first round grade on him and i might even struggle to put a 2nd round grade on him tbh

in the same way but for different reasons im not sure i can put even a 2nd round grade on rudolph but im not sure he makes it to round 3 in real life...

i think we could potentially see 8 qbs (i certainly think 7 is probable even if i dont end up with 7 day 2 grades...) go by the end of day 2:

Rosen
Darnold
Allen
Mayfield
Falk
Rudolph
Jackson
Benkert

all have a chance at being day 1/2 selections

I think we need to start adding Mike White to this list.

 

[rossihunter2]

I think we need to start adding Mike White to this list.

senior bowl is very much forcing me to reconsider some guys - there were some qbs who improved a lot from their 2017 tape to the senior bowl - guys who suddenly have become interesting to me

a deep class suddenly seems a lot deeper

with a lot of the "no name" guys at the senior bowl my issues were based on arm strength - but 1 or 2 of them stepped up
i think mason rudolph really needed to be at the senior bowl and i think that his stock is going to drop as a by-product unless he's very lucky

 

[Oldfaithful]

This is why I think he goes 1st overall

Then let the Browns take him. I don't think he'll be a bad QB like Johnny Football was, his problems are different, but they would be absolutely foolish to pass him up for Rosen (a far superior prospect) or Barkley, who's the best player in the draft. I think that Rosen, Darnold, and Allen all have higher ceilings, with Rosen being a MUCH safer prospect. I don't see Mayfield as a bonafide franchise guy.. I think his ceiling is a franchise QB but I'm not sure he'll get there.

I'm happy he's likely to go in the first round though.

 

[Adreme]

If the Browns do not take a QB at 1 I do not think the GM makes it to pick 4. They cannot balk AGAIN at the position and have one more miss because they waited.

 

[Jacquouille]

If the Browns do not take a QB at 1 I do not think the GM makes it to pick 4. They cannot balk AGAIN at the position and have one more miss because they waited.

They technically can if they like Baker and are affraid of Rosen's character and Darnold's turnovers. If they want a Day One starter and are affraid of the risks from the top2, they could go Baker at 4. And if they have a starter for the season come Draft Day they could hope for Allen to fall at 4.

 

[Oldfaithful]

So the youtube channel Schlegdaddytv came out and gave Rosen a 4th round grade.

As a guy who's watched most of the games Rosen has played in his career.. What the fuck is he thinking? He has some concerns because of his ego but has never shown to have some kind of a drug problem or anything. "But he's a rich Cali boy". Yes, because Peyton and Eli grew up poor. As did Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck. Smh.

"Lack of pocket presence". Okay. Did he have a pocket that often? No. UCLA did a terrible job giving him a line and a running game.

"Not a special arm". His arm is above average and he can make all the throws and I've seen him throw a 60 yarder on a line.

"Rich boy".... And? He acts like an egomaniac, not an entitled brat. I could see how that could be problematic but he's more of a Phillip Rivers type than Jay Cutler.

I'll tell you a few things I have that concern me with Rosen.

1. Injuries. Not really his fault. He's taken a massive beating during his time at UCLA. No line, shit running game, not great WRs. He needs to gain a few pounds, but he will at the NFL level.
2. While good at navigating a pocket I do have valid concerns about him being able to throw on the run. He's a pure pocket passer and not the most mobile guy. That said.. That's fine. The best QB is the one that can beat teams with his arm and nothing but his arm.

What I don't get is the love affair with Josh Allen given the guy's accuracy concerns. He's the most athletic QB in the class but he has legit concerns and is a little too raw. Anyone who throws him into the fire immediately is asking for the guy to get KILLED. Athleticism and arm strength only gets you so far at the NFL level. How will he read an NFL defense, how will he react when he has to go against LBs and DLinemen who are fast as he is in a short yard distance, which they will be at the NFL level.

I'll take the pocket passer every time. Rosen has the accuracy, the arm strength, pocket presence, ability to navigate the pocket and football IQ. He needs some coaching(his deep ball accuracy can be inconsistent at times and he does make some questionable decisions.. As most college QBs do).. But. FOURTH ROUND GRADE? I think he's the most pro ready and best QB in this class.

 

[RavensMania]

He discredited himself by giving him a 4th round grade. I wouldnt have finished reading it after I saw the grade.

 

[JO_75]

Have to wonder if the Browns would be scared the Broncos would jump them and trade with the Colts to get Mayfield before they do if they like him enough. Makes you wonder if they would take Mayfield number one overall, and with the praise the new front office is giving him I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes first overall.

 

[RavensMania]

Have to wonder if the Browns would be scared the Broncos would jump them and trade with the Colts to get Mayfield before they do if they like him enough. Makes you wonder if they would take Mayfield number one overall, and with the praise the new front office is giving him I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes first overall.

Especially with how much McCloughan likes Mayfield, now that he is a consultant.

 

[Edgar]

Brown's should sign Cousins and then take Barkley. Follow that up with Nelson at four. After this and given the fact that they have a myriad of early selections, I'd say we may be in trouble.

 

[RavensMania]

Brown's should sign Cousins and then take Barkley. Follow that up with Nelson at four. After this and given the fact that they have a myriad of early selections, I'd say we may be in trouble.

I’m not so sure Cousins would go to the Browns If there are better options.

 

[JO_75]

I’m not so sure Cousins would go to the Browns If there are better options.

Kirk has said that while money is important, winning is most important. I think Denver would be an option but according to a new report, the Vikings are on the top of Cousins' dream list so to speak.

 

[Sledge Hammer]

So the youtube channel Schlegdaddytv came out and gave Rosen a 4th round grade.

As a guy who's watched most of the games Rosen has played in his career.. What the fuck is he thinking? He has some concerns because of his ego but has never shown to have some kind of a drug problem or anything. "But he's a rich Cali boy". Yes, because Peyton and Eli grew up poor. As did Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck. Smh.

"Lack of pocket presence". Okay. Did he have a pocket that often? No. UCLA did a terrible job giving him a line and a running game.

"Not a special arm". His arm is above average and he can make all the throws and I've seen him throw a 60 yarder on a line.

"Rich boy".... And? He acts like an egomaniac, not an entitled brat. I could see how that could be problematic but he's more of a Phillip Rivers type than Jay Cutler.

I'll tell you a few things I have that concern me with Rosen.

1. Injuries. Not really his fault. He's taken a massive beating during his time at UCLA. No line, shit running game, not great WRs. He needs to gain a few pounds, but he will at the NFL level.
2. While good at navigating a pocket I do have valid concerns about him being able to throw on the run. He's a pure pocket passer and not the most mobile guy. That said.. That's fine. The best QB is the one that can beat teams with his arm and nothing but his arm.

What I don't get is the love affair with Josh Allen given the guy's accuracy concerns. He's the most athletic QB in the class but he has legit concerns and is a little too raw. Anyone who throws him into the fire immediately is asking for the guy to get KILLED. Athleticism and arm strength only gets you so far at the NFL level. How will he read an NFL defense, how will he react when he has to go against LBs and DLinemen who are fast as he is in a short yard distance, which they will be at the NFL level.

I'll take the pocket passer every time. Rosen has the accuracy, the arm strength, pocket presence, ability to navigate the pocket and football IQ. He needs some coaching(his deep ball accuracy can be inconsistent at times and he does make some questionable decisions.. As most college QBs do).. But. FOURTH ROUND GRADE? I think he's the most pro ready and best QB in this class.

Where can I read this. In my opinion Rosen’s accuracy is a lil overrated. And I haven’t watched much on him. But I dunno how anybody can put a round4 grade on him. Unless his accuracy is consistently erratic. Do you have a link to this article?? And BTW how could anybody say his arm isn’t good. I mean it may not be Favre strong. But it is very good and he can sling it with serious velocity. But I’m interested to see if his accuracy is really that inconsistent to drop him outa round1