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Joe Flacco

I think Joe would still be showing signs of life if we found an OC that could run Kubiak's system. Trestman and Marty were bad choices. Not absolving Joe from his screw ups, but it's obvious there are certain offenses he works better in (up tempo and roll outs) and yet we haven't used that scheme since Kubiak.
 
RaineV1 said:
I think Joe would still be showing signs of life if we found an OC that could run Kubiak's system. Trestman and Marty were bad choices. Not absolving Joe from his screw ups, but it's obvious there are certain offenses he works better in (up tempo and roll outs) and yet we haven't used that scheme since Kubiak.
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I think so as well but I’d love to find someone who could bring that Joe Flacco back. He was a good QB and was talented. This guy just isn’t getting it done. The constant floaters and the passes deflected and how he continues to not hit guys in stride this late is just maddening. And then he’s not seeing guys who are open. The OL sucks in the middle and he did have James blocking at LT so I can kind of absolve him of that but a lot of his issues aren’t things that just started to happen. These have been going on for a while.

I’d love for him to play well again. Maybe he will I mean he started strong. I’m not sure what’s going on. I’m thinking it’s the lack of a run game because Kubiak brought that and we were good and Flacco played well again. Without it we’ve struggled and so has Joe. Last year run game was better but Joe was I guess hurt from the beginning due to the back or whatever
 
Grim said:
I think so as well but I’d love to find someone who could bring that Joe Flacco back. He was a good QB and was talented. This guy just isn’t getting it done. The constant floaters and the passes deflected and how he continues to not hit guys in stride this late is just maddening. And then he’s not seeing guys who are open. The OL sucks in the middle and he did have James blocking at LT so I can kind of absolve him of that but a lot of his issues aren’t things that just started to happen. These have been going on for a while.

I’d love for him to play well again. Maybe he will I mean he started strong. I’m not sure what’s going on. I’m thinking it’s the lack of a run game because Kubiak brought that and we were good and Flacco played well again. Without it we’ve struggled and so has Joe. Last year run game was better but Joe was I guess hurt from the beginning due to the back or whatever
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the problem at this point is that Joe is doing bad in things that arent really to do with scheme or playcalling (they might be coaching but we know james urban is doing a good job with lamar so that seems unlikely at this point)
  • consistently bad ball placement
  • poor pre-snap reads
  • bad post-snap recognition of coverage and vertical reading of the field
  • regular staring down of receivers
  • picks the wrong read/receiver
  • batted passes

there are things he does well still/has improved this year particularly
  • good footwork in the pocket
  • delivers one of the most beautiful looking balls in the nfl on a consistent basis
  • nice mechanics
the problem with the above is that Lamar does a lot of those things well already - lamar is really good at post-snap reads, making good choices, looking off defenders, throwing a catchable ball, nice pocket footwork, nice release
 
rossihunter2 said:
the problem at this point is that Joe is doing bad in things that arent really to do with scheme or playcalling (they might be coaching but we know james urban is doing a good job with lamar so that seems unlikely at this point)
  • consistently bad ball placement
  • poor pre-snap reads
  • bad post-snap recognition of coverage and vertical reading of the field
  • regular staring down of receivers
  • picks the wrong read/receiver
  • batted passes

there are things he does well still/has improved this year particularly
  • good footwork in the pocket
  • delivers one of the most beautiful looking balls in the nfl on a consistent basis
  • nice mechanics
the problem with the above is that Lamar does a lot of those things well already - lamar is really good at post-snap reads, making good choices, looking off defenders, throwing a catchable ball, nice pocket footwork, nice release
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bUt lAmAr cAn't thrOw.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
bUt lAmAr cAn't thrOw.
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you know what was really cool when i rewatched the entire lamar vs panthers td drive - on one of the early throws in the drive lamar literally changed his throwing angle and sort of sidearmed the ball through a gap to avoid the clutter ahead of him - and it ended up as a completion to get a first down...
 
rossihunter2 said:
the problem at this point is that Joe is doing bad in things that arent really to do with scheme or playcalling (they might be coaching but we know james urban is doing a good job with lamar so that seems unlikely at this point)
  • consistently bad ball placement
  • poor pre-snap reads
  • bad post-snap recognition of coverage and vertical reading of the field
  • regular staring down of receivers
  • picks the wrong read/receiver
  • batted passes

there are things he does well still/has improved this year particularly
  • good footwork in the pocket
  • delivers one of the most beautiful looking balls in the nfl on a consistent basis
  • nice mechanics
the problem with the above is that Lamar does a lot of those things well already - lamar is really good at post-snap reads, making good choices, looking off defenders, throwing a catchable ball, nice pocket footwork, nice release
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Those bad reasons are really what is killing me with Flacco. I think he could be a great QB still but I don’t think he cares enough or maybe he just can’t mentally do it. Not that he’s stupid but maybe he’s just not football smart or football fast. He can’t act worth a damn so we shouldn’t send him to an LA team but his passes look good as you said. His issues are the short or overthrown passes, the bad reads, the inability to avoid starring down his WR. The batted passes are new so I let that slide but it’s annoying for this year for sure. That’s a new one he’s added to his tool belt. I agree on those things he improved upon this year, but the reads and starring down guys is annoying
 
rossihunter2 said:
you know what was really cool when i rewatched the entire lamar vs panthers td drive - on one of the early throws in the drive lamar literally changed his throwing angle and sort of sidearmed the ball through a gap to avoid the clutter ahead of him - and it ended up as a completion to get a first down...
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He does it very often actually, did it all throughout the preseason as well
 
I wonder if the batted passes are happening this year because joe has always been so easy to sack that they told rushers to just get after him, and with the pass pro holding up very well(up until week 8) teams took another approach and realized joe has no goddamn clue how to avoid swats
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I wonder if the batted passes are happening this year because joe has always been so easy to sack that they told rushers to just get after him, and with the pass pro holding up very well(up until week 8) teams took another approach and realized joe has no goddamn clue how to avoid swats
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When did the batted passes start this year?
 
rossihunter2 said:
the problem at this point is that Joe is doing bad in things that arent really to do with scheme or playcalling (they might be coaching but we know james urban is doing a good job with lamar so that seems unlikely at this point)
  • consistently bad ball placement
  • poor pre-snap reads
  • bad post-snap recognition of coverage and vertical reading of the field
  • regular staring down of receivers
  • picks the wrong read/receiver
  • batted passes

there are things he does well still/has improved this year particularly
  • good footwork in the pocket
  • delivers one of the most beautiful looking balls in the nfl on a consistent basis
  • nice mechanics
the problem with the above is that Lamar does a lot of those things well already - lamar is really good at post-snap reads, making good choices, looking off defenders, throwing a catchable ball, nice pocket footwork, nice release
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see... the problem is THAT THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS!

But when stated it was because you have a problem with him. It's funny to me that it took 4-5 record in what's supposed to be a great season where everyone is now starting to realize what's been in front of them for most of his career.


Saw this on reddit and started ctfu:

" Flacco success checklist:

  • 4 above-average o-linemen

  • 5th o-lineman is at least average

  • dominant zone-blocking run-game

  • pro-bowl-caliber checkdown-catching scat-back

  • good tough veteran possession receiver

  • good burner receiver with good hands

  • good "security blanket" TE (preferably who is also his BFF)

  • above-average defense

  • elite special teams

  • Gary Kubiak

  • the same OC for 3+ years

  • no gadget plays to interrupt "momentum"

  • no injuries

  • no "lingering" injuries

  • 95% roster health

  • the correct beard situation

  • complete support of all fans
If all of those conditions aren't simultaneously satisfied, then nothing is ever Flaccos' fault."
 
redrum52 said:
see... the problem is THAT THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS!

But when stated it was because you have a problem with him. It's funny to me that it took 4-5 record in what's supposed to be a great season where everyone is now starting to realize what's been in front of them for most of his career.


Saw this on reddit and started ctfu:

" Flacco success checklist:

  • 4 above-average o-linemen

  • 5th o-lineman is at least average

  • dominant zone-blocking run-game

  • pro-bowl-caliber checkdown-catching scat-back

  • good tough veteran possession receiver

  • good burner receiver with good hands

  • good "security blanket" TE (preferably who is also his BFF)

  • above-average defense

  • elite special teams

  • Gary Kubiak

  • the same OC for 3+ years

  • no gadget plays to interrupt "momentum"

  • no injuries

  • no "lingering" injuries

  • 95% roster health

  • the correct beard situation

  • complete support of all fans
If all of those conditions aren't simultaneously satisfied, then nothing is ever Flaccos' fault."
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This is hilarious because it's a fact.
 
redrum52 said:
see... the problem is THAT THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS!

But when stated it was because you have a problem with him. It's funny to me that it took 4-5 record in what's supposed to be a great season where everyone is now starting to realize what's been in front of them for most of his career.


Saw this on reddit and started ctfu:

" Flacco success checklist:

  • 4 above-average o-linemen

  • 5th o-lineman is at least average

  • dominant zone-blocking run-game

  • pro-bowl-caliber checkdown-catching scat-back

  • good tough veteran possession receiver

  • good burner receiver with good hands

  • good "security blanket" TE (preferably who is also his BFF)

  • above-average defense

  • elite special teams

  • Gary Kubiak

  • the same OC for 3+ years

  • no gadget plays to interrupt "momentum"

  • no injuries

  • no "lingering" injuries

  • 95% roster health

  • the correct beard situation

  • complete support of all fans
If all of those conditions aren't simultaneously satisfied, then nothing is ever Flaccos' fault."
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Yup, even back in 2015 before the acl year he looked really mediocre. How do let your mechanics fall that far off a cliff in one offseason.
 
RaineV1 said:
I think Joe would still be showing signs of life if we found an OC that could run Kubiak's system. Trestman and Marty were bad choices. Not absolving Joe from his screw ups, but it's obvious there are certain offenses he works better in (up tempo and roll outs) and yet we haven't used that scheme since Kubiak.
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Harbaugh's biggest problem is his undying loyalty to his OCs. People sometime direct the OC lack of continuety to Joe since he's the constant in this scenario but let's analyze this for a second.

Kyle Shanahan is hated by Redskins fans and is let go to Atlanta. Leads a high powered offense to the SB and heads to SF as a head coach. Pat Shurmer is let go by the Eagles, ends up in Minnesota, and becomes a HC. There's plenty more but that's what I can think off of the top of my head.

Harbaugh's OCs on the other hand have done nothing in their career's after being let go here. Cam Cameron got fired as an offensive coordinator from LSU, Jim Caldwell got fired from Detroit(Might have been unfair), and Mark Trestman got fired from the freaking Canadian Football League...think about that... After Marty get's fired I'm fairly certain he won't be an OC for another team ever again, and we're talking about someone who is seen by some as the worst HC in modern NFL history. That's the problem with Harbaugh's hires, there's always some issues tied up to them. Trestman was fired by the Bears for his awful offense, Marty had issues in Philly and New York, and Cam was fired after an abomination of a season with the Dolphins and the very next year he's let go they end up making the post-season and winning their divison. He has to look at the resume of some of these guys and try to avoid making the same mistake. It seems like we just end up with these guys because no one else wants them.

Now it may seem hypocritical since I brought up Shanahan and Shurmer, since they were taking heat as OCs but at least they have seen success as OCs and become HC's and most of their issues was lying in the situation that they were put in. On the other hand Harbaugh's hires have done nothing after getting fired or let go. This is just simple proof that he's making bad hires at OC position which everyone knows but to put it on Joe is just a misconsemption.
 
TheCity5 said:
Harbaugh's biggest problem is his undying loyalty to his OCs. People sometime direct the OC lack of continuety to Joe since he's the constant in this scenario but let's analyze this for a second.

Kyle Shanahan is hated by Redskins fans and is let go to Atlanta. Leads a high powered offense to the SB and heads to SF as a head coach. Pat Shurmer is let go by the Eagles, ends up in Minnesota, and becomes a HC. There's plenty more but that's what I can think off of the top of my head.

Harbaugh's OCs on the other hand have done nothing in their career's after being let go here. Cam Cameron got fired as an offensive coordinator from LSU, Jim Caldwell got fired from Detroit(Might have been unfair), and Mark Trestman got fired from the freaking Canadian Football League...think about that... After Marty get's fired I'm fairly certain he won't be an OC for another team ever again, and we're talking about someone who is seen by some as the worst HC in modern NFL history. That's the problem with Harbaugh's hires, there's always some issues tied up to them. Trestman was fired by the Bears for his awful offense, Marty had issues in Philly and New York, and Cam was fired after an abomination of a season with the Dolphins and the very next year he's let go they end up making the post-season and winning their divison. He has to look at the resume of some of these guys and try to avoid making the same mistake. It seems like we just end up with these guys because no one else wants them.

Now it may seem hypocritical since I brought up Shanahan and Shurmer, since they were taking heat as OCs but at least they have seen success as OCs and become HC's and most of their issues was lying in the situation that they were put in. On the other hand Harbaugh's hires have done nothing after getting fired or let go. This is just simple proof that he's making bad hires at OC position which everyone knows but to put it on Joe is just a misconsemption.
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Agree for the most part. Caldwell did get the Lions to the post season his first year. No one seems to be able to get that team right. Not sold on Shurmur yet, but Kyle did deserve another shot.
 
redrum52 said:
Agree for the most part. Caldwell did get the Lions to the post season his first year. No one seems to be able to get that team right. Not sold on Shurmur yet, but Kyle did deserve another shot.
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Not sold on Shurmer either but at least he got a job and turned things around as an OC. Caldwell got some things done in Detroit but his offense was awful his final year. The Lions really hired him due to our SB run but in hindsight they could have done better.
 
TheCity5 said:
Harbaugh's biggest problem is his undying loyalty to his OCs. People sometime direct the OC lack of continuety to Joe since he's the constant in this scenario but let's analyze this for a second.

Kyle Shanahan is hated by Redskins fans and is let go to Atlanta. Leads a high powered offense to the SB and heads to SF as a head coach. Pat Shurmer is let go by the Eagles, ends up in Minnesota, and becomes a HC. There's plenty more but that's what I can think off of the top of my head.

Harbaugh's OCs on the other hand have done nothing in their career's after being let go here. Cam Cameron got fired as an offensive coordinator from LSU, Jim Caldwell got fired from Detroit(Might have been unfair), and Mark Trestman got fired from the freaking Canadian Football League...think about that... After Marty get's fired I'm fairly certain he won't be an OC for another team ever again, and we're talking about someone who is seen by some as the worst HC in modern NFL history. That's the problem with Harbaugh's hires, there's always some issues tied up to them. Trestman was fired by the Bears for his awful offense, Marty had issues in Philly and New York, and Cam was fired after an abomination of a season with the Dolphins and the very next year he's let go they end up making the post-season and winning their divison. He has to look at the resume of some of these guys and try to avoid making the same mistake. It seems like we just end up with these guys because no one else wants them.

Now it may seem hypocritical since I brought up Shanahan and Shurmer, since they were taking heat as OCs but at least they have seen success as OCs and become HC's and most of their issues was lying in the situation that they were put in. On the other hand Harbaugh's hires have done nothing after getting fired or let go. This is just simple proof that he's making bad hires at OC position which everyone knows but to put it on Joe is just a misconsemption.
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Shurmur is HC of the Giants not the Vikings whose HC is Zimmer from the Bengals.
 
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