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Lmao until it happens to us in a playoff game from a simple finger wag, in which case you'll be pissed just like the rest of us. Come on man, this is football, not golf or even baseball

Yea I’ll be pissed for sure. The only way this works is the NFL lays out clearly defined rules of what’s acceptable. If it’s left up to the referees discretion it’s going to be a shit show


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100 people attend. You just said it right there. They have fans attending! It doesn't have to be TV.
OK, but the 100 people attending could drop to zero people attending, and that wouldn't stop the event from happening. It's not a material number of people regardless, because the event isn't taking place with any anticipation of fans or attendance. It's taking place because the people participating in the event want to do it for entertainment, and they're deemed the "best in the world" at their sport.

Overseas for Soccer (football) for instance, is a perfect example. It's that super uncommon for matches to be played with no fans in the seats and no TV cameras at the professional level. They'd prefer that not to happen, and there's usually some type of event that triggers it, but it still happens. They don't just cancel the match because nobody can see it.

And that's a "popular" sport. There's hundreds of less popular sports, who regularly wouldn't get TV time regardless (due to lack of demand) and may not have any viewer interest at all that take place at a professional level. There's a great WSJ article from a few weeks ago that talks about all of the Olympic sports being competed in, at a professional level, that never have spectators to begin with, and would only be broadcast once every four years for Olympic coverage, of which many won't even make Olympics coverage either. They hold professional championships, tournaments, leagues, etc. year-round.
 
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Yea I’ll be pissed for sure. The only way this works is the NFL lays out clearly defined rules of what’s acceptable. If it’s left up to the referees discretion it’s going to be a shit show


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Well they'll never do that, because then players will just get creative to do things they haven't thought of.

I don't get the point of the emphasis, but I also don't get the point of the taunting to begin with, so I guess I'm stuck in the middle between two parties not using common sense. Like if a finger wag is "no big deal", then why are you doing it to begin with? What's the objective?

If I sack the QB and then stand over him and tell him that I sacked him, isn't that just redundant and a waste of time? Don't you think the act of tackling the guy is a pretty good indication that you sacked him?

I mean it's not like the NFL went full Hitler on them. They widely loosened the celebratory policy a few years back. An interception leads to like 40 player group photo these days, when like maybe 2 players had anything to do with it. And I'm fine with it, because it's not disrespecting anybody, other than maybe the fans time.

Taunting isn't good for the game in any way. Not good for the players. Not good for the fans. Nobody wins. I wouldn't want to be the one out here making subjective judgments about what's taunting and what's not, but the players could just not taunt, and there's nothing to worry about. Like it's an active choice. If they can't figure out how to stop themselves, then instead of spending time during the week practicing TD dances or celebrations, spend time practicing how to not taunt a player you clearly just beat.

My opinion of their rationale... probably the same as clamping done hard on "player conduct". They Commissioner's office is probably trying to make sure that their athletes don't look like total pricks to the child fanbase who is the future generation of NFL players and fans, and trying to avoid having a 12 year old wag their finger at a pee wee player he just tackled, because he saw Ray Ray do it on Sunday. I personally would rather see the parents put a clamp down on that than Goodell, but it's also pretty clear that a lot of parents wouldn't to begin with.
 
Yea I’ll be pissed for sure. The only way this works is the NFL lays out clearly defined rules of what’s acceptable. If it’s left up to the referees discretion it’s going to be a shit show

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This one seemed to be ref discretion. Happened right after the RB carelessly tossed the ball toward the ref. Not in a bad intent way, but wasn’t “nicey nice” about giving the ball back
 
Well they'll never do that, because then players will just get creative to do things they haven't thought of.

I don't get the point of the emphasis, but I also don't get the point of the taunting to begin with, so I guess I'm stuck in the middle between two parties not using common sense. Like if a finger wag is "no big deal", then why are you doing it to begin with? What's the objective?

If I sack the QB and then stand over him and tell him that I sacked him, isn't that just redundant and a waste of time? Don't you think the act of tackling the guy is a pretty good indication that you sacked him?

I mean it's not like the NFL went full Hitler on them. They widely loosened the celebratory policy a few years back. An interception leads to like 40 player group photo these days, when like maybe 2 players had anything to do with it. And I'm fine with it, because it's not disrespecting anybody, other than maybe the fans time.

Taunting isn't good for the game in any way. Not good for the players. Not good for the fans. Nobody wins. I wouldn't want to be the one out here making subjective judgments about what's taunting and what's not, but the players could just not taunt, and there's nothing to worry about. Like it's an active choice. If they can't figure out how to stop themselves, then instead of spending time during the week practicing TD dances or celebrations, spend time practicing how to not taunt a player you clearly just beat.

Sorry man but I think this is absolutely hilarious. This is the NFL. You try telling this to Ray Lewis back in his day and he’d run all over you
 
Sorry man but I think this is absolutely hilarious. This is the NFL. You try telling this to Ray Lewis back in his day and he’d run all over you
I'm sure he would. Then he'd also do the most hypocritical thing possible and go tell his young son not to do it in a pee-wee game, because apparently sportsmanship ends at the amateur level in his mind.
 
I'm sure he would. Then he'd also do the most hypocritical thing possible and go tell his young son not to do it in a pee-wee game, because apparently sportsmanship ends at the amateur level in his mind.

Lol damn, I guess the entire 2000s Ravens team is hypocritical in your mind and deserve taunting flags too :lol::lol:
 
Lol damn, I guess the entire 2000s Ravens team is hypocritical in your mind and deserve taunting flags too :lol::lol:
Yes, many of the things they did were flag worthy. I don't think anybody could argue against that.

We're also talking about an era that largely pre-dated things like social media, the internet, etc., back when people actually thought pro athletes were role models, people of high moral character, etc. Now we all sort of know better...
 
Yes, many of the things they did were flag worthy. I don't think anybody could argue against that.

We're also talking about an era that largely pre-dated things like social media, the internet, etc., back when people actually thought pro athletes were role models, people of high moral character, etc. Now we all sort of know better...

Sounds good
 
OK, but the 100 people attending could drop to zero people attending, and that wouldn't stop the event from happening. It's not a material number of people regardless, because the event isn't taking place with any anticipation of fans or attendance. It's taking place because the people participating in the event want to do it for entertainment, and they're deemed the "best in the world" at their sport.

Overseas for Soccer (football) for instance, is a perfect example. It's that super uncommon for matches to be played with no fans in the seats and no TV cameras at the professional level. They'd prefer that not to happen, and there's usually some type of event that triggers it, but it still happens. They don't just cancel the match because nobody can see it.

And that's a "popular" sport. There's hundreds of less popular sports, who regularly wouldn't get TV time regardless (due to lack of demand) and may not have any viewer interest at all that take place at a professional level. There's a great WSJ article from a few weeks ago that talks about all of the Olympic sports being competed in, at a professional level, that never have spectators to begin with, and would only be broadcast once every four years for Olympic coverage, of which many won't even make Olympics coverage either. They hold professional championships, tournaments, leagues, etc. year-round.

yes, soccer is a VERY popular sport. It has FANS. Of course they aren't going to cancel it, but the goal is to win and certainly having fans, especially professional sports leagues is to have fans. Universities have unfortunately cancelled sports teams because they didn't bring in money. If those teams had fans, they wouldn't have been cancelled.
 
yes, soccer is a VERY popular sport. It has FANS. Of course they aren't going to cancel it, but the goal is to win and certainly having fans, especially professional sports leagues is to have fans. Universities have unfortunately cancelled sports teams because they didn't bring in money. If those teams had fans, they wouldn't have been cancelled.
Well the latter isn't really true, because Universities have been cancelling collegiate sports programs long before the pandemic hit, mostly because even sports that have spectators may not draw enough revenue to offset the costs of running those sports.

The pandemic was mostly just a convenient "excuse" (probably bad word choice, but you get the point) for Universities to finally terminate sports programs that have been losing money for a long time. Previously, people would push back against them, and tell them they could use football money or basketball money to fund womens field hockey or whatever sport it was that cost more to operate than the revenue they took in. Now, when football and basketball revenue's plummet, they can more easily justify closing said programs.

There's also Universities that still have sports programs that don't have spectators or TV, and continue to have people seek and actively participate in such, despite being a money loser for the University.

If you want to be totally conceptual about it, Colleges/Universities are somewhat exempt from this model, because they can not only generate revenue from the act of the person playing the sport, but they can also generate revenue from the mere presence of that person being on campus, i.e. paying tuition. Those funds don't necessarily end up in the same revenue/cost pools as one another, but its a bit different than a Pro Sports league, where the athletes are paid and the only real source of income from those athletes is based on what they do on their corresponding fields/courts, etc.

Universities frequently fund loss leaders because, if they were to close the womens field hockey program, there may be a few dozen women who opt not to go to that school anymore, and therefore they've lost potential tuition, fees, etc. from those students.
 
Well the latter isn't really true, because Universities have been cancelling collegiate sports programs long before the pandemic hit, mostly because even sports that have spectators may not draw enough revenue to offset the costs of running those sports.

The pandemic was mostly just a convenient "excuse" (probably bad word choice, but you get the point) for Universities to finally terminate sports programs that have been losing money for a long time. Previously, people would push back against them, and tell them they could use football money or basketball money to fund womens field hockey or whatever sport it was that cost more to operate than the revenue they took in. Now, when football and basketball revenue's plummet, they can more easily justify closing said programs.

There's also Universities that still have sports programs that don't have spectators or TV, and continue to have people seek and actively participate in such, despite being a money loser for the University.

If you want to be totally conceptual about it, Colleges/Universities are somewhat exempt from this model, because they can not only generate revenue from the act of the person playing the sport, but they can also generate revenue from the mere presence of that person being on campus, i.e. paying tuition. Those funds don't necessarily end up in the same revenue/cost pools as one another, but its a bit different than a Pro Sports league, where the athletes are paid and the only real source of income from those athletes is based on what they do on their corresponding fields/courts, etc.

Universities frequently fund loss leaders because, if they were to close the womens field hockey program, there may be a few dozen women who opt not to go to that school anymore, and therefore they've lost potential tuition, fees, etc. from those students.
I never said it was because of the Pandemic. University of Maryland among others have cancelled sports....they weren't bringing in money to keep to justify keeping them.

Not sure why you even think I'm referring to the pandemic.

We don't see eye to eye on this, so I'm just going to leave it at that.
 
Well they'll never do that, because then players will just get creative to do things they haven't thought of.

I don't get the point of the emphasis, but I also don't get the point of the taunting to begin with, so I guess I'm stuck in the middle between two parties not using common sense. Like if a finger wag is "no big deal", then why are you doing it to begin with? What's the objective?

If I sack the QB and then stand over him and tell him that I sacked him, isn't that just redundant and a waste of time? Don't you think the act of tackling the guy is a pretty good indication that you sacked him?

I mean it's not like the NFL went full Hitler on them. They widely loosened the celebratory policy a few years back. An interception leads to like 40 player group photo these days, when like maybe 2 players had anything to do with it. And I'm fine with it, because it's not disrespecting anybody, other than maybe the fans time.

Taunting isn't good for the game in any way. Not good for the players. Not good for the fans. Nobody wins. I wouldn't want to be the one out here making subjective judgments about what's taunting and what's not, but the players could just not taunt, and there's nothing to worry about. Like it's an active choice. If they can't figure out how to stop themselves, then instead of spending time during the week practicing TD dances or celebrations, spend time practicing how to not taunt a player you clearly just beat.

My opinion of their rationale... probably the same as clamping done hard on "player conduct". They Commissioner's office is probably trying to make sure that their athletes don't look like total pricks to the child fanbase who is the future generation of NFL players and fans, and trying to avoid having a 12 year old wag their finger at a pee wee player he just tackled, because he saw Ray Ray do it on Sunday. I personally would rather see the parents put a clamp down on that than Goodell, but it's also pretty clear that a lot of parents wouldn't to begin with.
Did you play football growing up?
 


how do you come from the ravens given the way we’ve successfully weaponised analytics especially with regards to 4th downs and come out with this view

biggest blessing of the offseason was the texans hiring him - can’t believe we might have passed up on the opportunity to bring in Keith Williams and tee Martin for David Culley
 
Sometimes I log in here and you guys are debating some really interesting football analysis and it's a lot of fun catching up the few pages I'm behind on.

Other times you're beating a dead horse to a bloody pulp over some ridiculous semantics argument. Seriously, are we actually arguing whether sport technically exists if no-one watches it in here?!
 


how do you come from the ravens given the way we’ve successfully weaponised analytics especially with regards to 4th downs and come out with this view

biggest blessing of the offseason was the texans hiring him - can’t believe we might have passed up on the opportunity to bring in Keith Williams and tee Martin for David Culley

not only that, we got 2 3rd round picks because the Texans hired Culley!
 
Sometimes I log in here and you guys are debating some really interesting football analysis and it's a lot of fun catching up the few pages I'm behind on.

Other times you're beating a dead horse to a bloody pulp over some ridiculous semantics argument. Seriously, are we actually arguing whether sport technically exists if no-one watches it in here?!

its the classic “Schrodingers Sports” paradox
 
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