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RavensMania said:
tell me about it. No way is this taunting. No way the NFL wants Refs throwing flags on this. Hopefully this is just a preseason thing.
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Honestly, I may be completely off, but it seems the flag came out after he carelessly tossed the ball to the red. Almost like the refs were being cry babies and just tossed a flag in spite
 
rossihunter2 said:


literally no one wants this

how the fuck is this taunting
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I’m still alone on this one but I’m all for it. Ego check for the players


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BoredMarine13 said:
I’m still alone on this one but I’m all for it. Ego check for the players


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Lmao until it happens to us in a playoff game from a simple finger wag, in which case you'll be pissed just like the rest of us. Come on man, this is football, not golf or even baseball
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
The nfl is the one who needs an ego check, they seem to forget that it’s the players that make this league go
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Sort of. They could put high school caliber players out there and it would still do hundred of millions in revenue. People watch football because they like football. They don't really care who plays it.
 
RavensMania said:
It's the fans that make the league go.
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Well, again, sort of. Football would still exist if there were no fans, and it would still exist if there were a lot less fans. It would just be less lucrative.

What differentiates football from pretty much every other sport is that the players ultimately drive nothing. They're swapped out repeatedly with newer, younger players and the sport just keeps growing and growing and growing. Americans have an obsession for football, almost regardless of level.

High School football is a very lucrative business to a certain extent, and that involves players that 99.999% of the population have never heard of, being played at nowhere close to a Professional level, and where very few of the people involved in the sport get paid practically anything. Yet it makes tons of money. Take a look at high school football stadiums in Texas, Florida and California. They're cathedrals. State of the art training facilities, massive complexes, etc. And these are high schools.

People don't actually care about the players. They're recycled constantly. It's virtually the only sport where individual players rarely drive ticket sales or TV viewership.

Do they need a collection of people to actually play the game? Of course. As a whole, there's no football without players. But that doesn't mean that individual players, or even the collective talent of the overall pool of players, is that big of a driving force behind revenue, because it's not.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Well, again, sort of. Football would still exist if there were no fans, and it would still exist if there were a lot less fans. It would just be less lucrative.

What differentiates football from pretty much every other sport is that the players ultimately drive nothing. They're swapped out repeatedly with newer, younger players and the sport just keeps growing and growing and growing. Americans have an obsession for football, almost regardless of level.

High School football is a very lucrative business to a certain extent, and that involves players that 99.999% of the population have never heard of, being played at nowhere close to a Professional level, and where very few of the people involved in the sport get paid practically anything. Yet it makes tons of money. Take a look at high school football stadiums in Texas, Florida and California. They're cathedrals. State of the art training facilities, massive complexes, etc. And these are high schools.

People don't actually care about the players. They're recycled constantly. It's virtually the only sport where individual players rarely drive ticket sales or TV viewership.

Do they need a collection of people to actually play the game? Of course. As a whole, there's no football without players. But that doesn't mean that individual players, or even the collective talent of the overall pool of players, is that big of a driving force behind revenue, because it's not.
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That's the point. If the fans didn't go to the games or watch the games there would be no money to be made. No one would be attending the games (no need for those stadiums) and no one would be advertising because no one would be watching the games.

If there were no fans, there would be no sport and that goes for all of them and I agree, it doesn't matter who is playing the game. I've gone to high school games and have no kids.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Sort of. They could put high school caliber players out there and it would still do hundred of millions in revenue. People watch football because they like football. They don't really care who plays it.
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You think the afl and aafa failed because of the commissioner? No, they failed because the nfl features the best talent and those leagues weren’t worth watching. If the nfl began fielding an inferior product because the strong talent went elsewhere, casual fans would stop watching, which makes up damn near the entirety of the fan base.
RavensMania said:
It's the fans that make the league go.
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and telling the players to get out of the spirit of the game and play with no edge, will result in a product that will lose fans.
 
It absolutely matters who is playing. No one can tell me if a player of Brady’s or Lewis’ or Mahomes’ caliber, or any of the greats of the past/current, hadn’t played that the league would be the exact same as it has been. Highly disagree here
 
High school football is so popular because of loyalties. I have no idea whatsoever who makes up the high school to the next state over. Nor do I care to follow it. You want to support your school, your kids, your hometown, etc. College is kinda the same. Where are the exact loyalties at with the NFL? Do you not remember how bleak watching this team was during many of the Flacco post Super Bowl years?
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
You think the afl and aafa failed because of the commissioner? No, they failed because the nfl features the best talent and those leagues weren’t worth watching. If the nfl began fielding an inferior product because the strong talent went elsewhere, casual fans would stop watching, which makes up damn near the entirety of the fan base.
and telling the players to get out of the spirit of the game and play with no edge, will result in a product that will lose fans.
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No, they failed because there's also a saturation point, where consumers realize that they're not seeing the best possible product and they can get it for the same price somewhere else. Those organizations fail time and time again because they try to pretend like they're giving you a "professional" product at a high level, when every consumer knows they're not.

College football isn't the highest level of football being play, and they do incredibly well. Same thing with High School football.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
No, they failed because there's also a saturation point, where consumers realize that they're not seeing the best possible product and they can get it for the same price somewhere else. Those organizations fail time and time again because they try to pretend like they're giving you a "professional" product at a high level, when every consumer knows they're not.

College football isn't the highest level of football being play, and they do incredibly well. Same thing with High School football.
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Essentially you just conceded the point that talent does make a difference. Re-read your first paragraph
 
Sizzle said:
It absolutely matters who is playing. No one can tell me if a player of Brady’s or Lewis’ or Mahomes’ caliber, or any of the greats of the past/current, hadn’t played that the league would be the exact same as it has been. Highly disagree here
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That's because there's always a Brady. Or a Lewis. Or a Mahomes.
I mean Mahomes is basically just the new Peyton Manning. They may have different skills or different personalities, but their impact on the sport is basically the same.
That's the point. They're recycled. There's always the next great player when you play a sport at the highest level.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
That's because there's always a Brady. Or a Lewis. Or a Mahomes.
I mean Mahomes is basically just the new Peyton Manning. They may have different skills or different personalities, but their impact on the sport is basically the same.
That's the point. They're recycled. There's always the next great player when you play a sport at the highest level.
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But if talent started noticeably falling off from these players, people would start caring less. Guarantee it
 
Sizzle said:
Essentially you just conceded the point that talent does make a difference. Re-read your first paragraph
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It makes up the difference in totality of the sport to the consumer, not to the individual player.
You also made my point for me with your Flacco comparison. Revenue increased, while the product on the field AND the personalities on the field decreased. If it were a player driven sport, where stars were the reason why people tuned in to watch, then those two things couldn't happen simultaneously.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
It makes up the difference in totality of the sport to the consumer, not to the individual player.
You also made my point for me with your Flacco comparison. Revenue increased, while the product on the field AND the personalities on the field decreased. If it were a player driven sport, where stars were the reason why people tuned in to watch, then those two things couldn't happen simultaneously.
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So is it really fan driven? If fans start going away and caring less, but revenue still increases, is this a fan driven league? Sure doesn’t feel that way to me
 
Sizzle said:
But if talent started noticeably falling off from these players, people would start caring less. Guarantee it
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Maybe, maybe not. There's a bunch of old timers sitting in chairs right now telling you that NFL players are way worse today than they were 30 years ago. I don't see people caring less.

And if it were to happen, it would be because ALL talent noticeably fell off. Just less talent from a handful of signature, individual players.
 
But we are honestly discussing semantics here. The fact is the NFL is very popular, it does very well in revenue, and players will continue coming in at high talent levels.
 
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