WR/RB Thread

[Sledge Hammer]

I agree, however joe is still terrible. Not as accurate as wilson

I agree with you except one lil stipulation. I haven't watched much tape and football since 2016 draft season. One thing I have looked at is QB accuracy. I compared joe to 7 active QBs which one of is Russell Wilson. The verdict. Wilsons accuracy is more consistent. He can throw fairly accurate under pressure and on the move. However when Joe Flacco is protected and allowed to comfortably look for his receiver and step into his throws from a clean pocket he is nearly as accurate as Brady and Bree's. Definitely not a lot of difference. Which is beyond logic management didn't put more resources into the offensive line. Many magnificent big play throws to Torry and Jacoby. When he is pressured not only does me make bad reads and decisions. His accuracy seriously falls off the landscape. And under most circumstances Wilson is more accurate.


However when the stars line up for Joe and he can throw on his favorite circumstances it is like WOW!! You can clearly see justification management believing in him so much. But under pressure his accuracy is as bad as anybody's. Under a top shelf Oline not many QBs I would take over Joe. Give him an experienced stronger Stanley, Osemele Jensen Yanda and Cam Robinson at RT and there isn't many QBs I would take over joe. And he would perform very well with merely competent receivers. No need for superstars. But with an average or below average line. You would have to be a serious homer to take Joe over Russell Wilson. And with his salary up there with QBs that can perform without an elite Oline like Rodgers and Bree's and Wilson. It Would be hard to put joe behind an elite Oline like that

 

[Sledge Hammer]

if they have skills of legit no 1s then they will likely break the bank and cost more than jefferson - because guys with no 1 skills rarely hit free agency

I said skills of a no.1 but not yet have a breakout season cuz of circumstances like opportunity, caught in a crowded and talented WR unit, bad QB, bad coaching and schemes. It's up to management to identify a WR with the skills to perform better with ravens and play to his potential. And have his breakout with the ravens. Once a receiver breaks out of course he will break the bank. Marqise, Robinson and Paul Richardson are receivers that's could have serious breakouts if we signed any of them. But management prefers a 30+ yr old WR that played really well 4 seasons ago and hope he has something left. It's like management has no confidence in their skill to draft a young WR or identify a young receiver that is ready to break out like a Brandon Lloyd.

 

[K-Dog]

I really don't. Camp is beyond unreliable at this point.

No argument on his reliability but he has been significantly more productive that Perriman.

 

[BloodRaven]

I said skills of a no.1 but not yet have a breakout season cuz of circumstances like opportunity, caught in a crowded and talented WR unit, bad QB, bad coaching and schemes. It's up to management to identify a WR with the skills to perform better with ravens and play to his potential. And have his breakout with the ravens. Once a receiver breaks out of course he will break the bank. Marqise, Robinson and Paul Richardson are receivers that's could have serious breakouts if we signed any of them. But management prefers a 30+ yr old WR that played really well 4 seasons ago and hope he has something left. It's like management has no confidence in their skill to draft a young WR or identify a young receiver that is ready to break out like a Brandon Lloyd.

Probably, but we probably dont take chances on potential because we're already trying to get guys to reach theirs.

Personally I want us to focus on signing younger, durable players who dont spend half their career on the trainers table and starting from scratch.

 

[rossihunter2]

I really like Boyle. I hope he can get the intricacies of the game down and learn how to consistently separate from LBs then he could be the next great Ravens TE. Honestly, I think he could be a beast for us next season and truly break out. I can't wait to see what he does next season. Boyle is a guy I have high hopes for.

I just hopes he avoids the Gilmore effect. Gilmore could use his athleticism and size to beat LBs all day long but he had issues when it came to beating double teams, chip blocks and recognizing the zone. It held him back and I hope that doesn't stunt Boyle.

for me i see boyle as a guy who can be a good 2nd tight end for us long term and im very happy with that - he's a good blocking tight end who can move the chains and give us ok production as a receiver - not a flashy guy and he likely never will be but im fine with that - we dont need him to be a superstar we just need him to be consistent and stay available - he's a guy id be fine with re-signing after his rookie contract even if he doesn't "break out" because he's steady and a useful member of our team

 

[JAAM]

for me i see boyle as a guy who can be a good 2nd tight end for us long term and im very happy with that - he's a good blocking tight end who can move the chains and give us ok production as a receiver - not a flashy guy and he likely never will be but im fine with that - we dont need him to be a superstar we just need him to be consistent and stay available - he's a guy id be fine with re-signing after his rookie contract even if he doesn't "break out" because he's steady and a useful member of our team

I disagree. I think he’s an excellent receiver and is spectacular after the catch, hurdling and breaking tackles. I’m not sure how much more flashier a TE can get as a receiver. I firmly believe that if he saw more snaps, he’d easily become our next great TE.

 

[rossihunter2]

I disagree. I think he’s an excellent receiver and is spectacular after the catch, hurdling and breaking tackles. I’m not sure how much more flashier a TE can get as a receiver. I firmly believe that if he saw more snaps, he’d easily become our next great TE.

i mean in terms of route running or being able to run a deep route or get a big chunk before the catch down the seam - he's never gonna be that guy - which you have to be if you're gonna be thought of as a top receiving tight end in the league

 

[BloodRaven]

I think if Boyle was a number 1 option he would be a middle of the road type TE, he doesnt have the potential that Crockett or Maxx have/had as receivers but he could be a stable all round starter for sure. Personally Id rather bring in an older vet (not Watson old) to replace Watson who I think will retire.

 

[RavensMania]

I disagree. I think he’s an excellent receiver and is spectacular after the catch, hurdling and breaking tackles. I’m not sure how much more flashier a TE can get as a receiver. I firmly believe that if he saw more snaps, he’d easily become our next great TE.

I don’t know about great TE, but I do like Boyle’s tenacity.

 

[BloodRaven]

Boyle definitely owes us a good season

 

[Tru11]

Well that's surprising.

But I wouldn't say leaving the qb out is retarded when we're discussing the qbs supporting cast. That's at least how I understood the discussion, we talking about the FO not allocating resources to help joe right?

discussion was about investments in the offense.
QB is part of the offense.
Our QB has the highest cap hit in the NFL.
Investments in his supporting cast are already on pair with the defense.
If he needs more help , he should take a pay cut.

 

[Dom McRaven]

I really like Boyle. I hope he can get the intricacies of the game down and learn how to consistently separate from LBs then he could be the next great Ravens TE. Honestly, I think he could be a beast for us next season and truly break out. I can't wait to see what he does next season. Boyle is a guy I have high hopes for.

I just hopes he avoids the Gilmore effect. Gilmore could use his athleticism and size to beat LBs all day long but he had issues when it came to beating double teams, chip blocks and recognizing the zone. It held him back and I hope that doesn't stunt Boyle.

I do too. He doesn't really drop any passes (HUGE plus for us), but I'd like to see him improve his route running. I don't have an issue with his inline blocking. I just think he's solid across the board.

As for Gilmore, I almost forgot about the dude. He's another one who I'll higher expectations next season. I understand it may seem a little harsh because of his recent injury, but at the same time, I need to see more and you nailed it (i.e. 2015 vs. OAK).

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Interesting stat: Allen and Collins both average 6.0 YPC from the shotgun.

 

[SepticeyePoe]

I do too. He doesn't really drop any passes (HUGE plus for us), but I'd like to see him improve his route running. I don't have an issue with his inline blocking. I just think he's solid across the board.

As for Gilmore, I almost forgot about the dude. He's another one who I'll higher expectations next season. I understand it may seem a little harsh because of his recent injury, but at the same time, I need to see more and you nailed it (i.e. 2015 vs. OAK).

If he returns. I believe Gilmore is a free agent after this season.

 

[Dom McRaven]

If he returns. I believe Gilmore is a free agent after this season.

I wasn't aware of this. I think he's gone, but the State of the Ravens might make me think differently (doubt it though).

 

[Sledge Hammer]

Probably, but we probably dont take chances on potential because we're already trying to get guys to reach theirs.

Personally I want us to focus on signing younger, durable players who dont spend half their career on the trainers table and starting from scratch.

Except ravens receivers don't have a lot of potential

Probably, but we probably dont take chances on potential because we're already trying to get guys to reach theirs.

Personally I want us to focus on signing younger, durable players who dont spend half their career on the trainers table and starting from scratch.

I agree about injuries but injuries can happen to players that were known to be durable. I agree on signing younger receivers that can breakout under right circumstances and opportunity. As opposed to going after 30 yr old receivers and older that performed big 3 seasons ago. And hope he has something in the tank. Same old habits going back to Kevin Johnson and Marcus Robinson.

However ravens don't have any receivers with a lot of potential worth bragging about. Perriman is bum. And nearly a total bust. He may be useful at best. But will never be that NO.1 fans hype him up to be. Perriman is garbage. He is a reach as a NO.1 pick cuz the ravens wait until backed in a corner to reach for a WR. He never displayed the speed of that fluke of a 40 time. Hopeful fans have hyped that loser up. I never liked him. Management needs to address the WR position with a new approach. Like it actually values the position. Mind boggling there are fans that convince themselves ravens should take the same approach of scrap heap garbage rooting to the receivers position. In this era of high scoring air attacks and potent prolific offenses.

 

[NaturalBornHitters]

Perriman takes the cake for me, 1st round pick, missed an entire year for a mystery injury, hasn't been consistent or remotely close to what he was hyped up to be and has had other injuries.

What a BUM! Fuck Perriman!!!

 

[The Greek]

why did the fo not draft diggs. idiots!!

 

[Dom McRaven]

why did the fo not draft diggs. idiots!!

It's been a moot point now.

 

[BloodRaven]

Except ravens receivers don't have a lot of potential
I agree about injuries but injuries can happen to players that were known to be durable. I agree on signing younger receivers that can breakout under right circumstances and opportunity. As opposed to going after 30 yr old receivers and older that performed big 3 seasons ago. And hope he has something in the tank. Same old habits going back to Kevin Johnson and Marcus Robinson.

However ravens don't have any receivers with a lot of potential worth bragging about. Perriman is bum. And nearly a total bust. He may be useful at best. But will never be that NO.1 fans hype him up to be. Perriman is garbage. He is a reach as a NO.1 pick cuz the ravens wait until backed in a corner to reach for a WR. He never displayed the speed of that fluke of a 40 time. Hopeful fans have hyped that loser up. I never liked him. Management needs to address the WR position with a new approach. Like it actually values the position. Mind boggling there are fans that convince themselves ravens should take the same approach of scrap heap garbage rooting to the receivers position. In this era of high scoring air attacks and potent prolific offenses.

The last thing we need is more guys who are injury because they WILL miss games here, we're obviously haunted by a little turf demon going around snatching up ankles and putting a record number of guys on IR. Jokes aside I agree Perriman is a bust, Moore and Camp are almost useless as well but the front office sees some upside there.