WR/RB Thread

[Sledge Hammer]

I think the QB and offense issues is attributed to not getting receiver talent. This ship is only going to continue to sink if the Ravens don't try to find good receiving talent.

I agree. I watched a rerun of Seahawks Texans. Looked to me like receivers making plays for their QB all over!! Not a lot of precision routes, timing and tight throws that game. But more of receivers making great plays for their QB!! A luxury joe sure knows nothing of. Lots of good receivers will hit the market. Ravens need to get one!! Like for real!! Can probably get Marqise/ Paul Richardson cheaper than Jefferson costed. If there is salary cap excuses then all it means is ravens aren't making offense a priority. Like it found a way to pay Jefferson. If management can't find a way to sign a receiver it means it is not wanting to invest in offense

 

[Tru11]

torrey had a pretty darn good season in 2014 tbh.

767 yards 11 TDs and 261 yards on 12 PI plays lol

 

[Tru11]

I agree. I watched a rerun of Seahawks Texans. Looked to me like receivers making plays for their QB all over!! Not a lot of precision routes, timing and tight throws that game. But more of receivers making great plays for their QB!! A luxury joe sure knows nothing of. Lots of good receivers will hit the market. Ravens need to get one!! Like for real!! Can probably get Marqise/ Paul Richardson cheaper than Jefferson costed. If there is salary cap excuses then all it means is ravens aren't making offense a priority. Like it found a way to pay Jefferson. If management can't find a way to sign a receiver it means it is not wanting to invest in offense

Ravens have tied more money in the offense then the defense for years now so this not a priority crap is just plain none sense and based on nothing.

Also Russel buys time with his feet so that his receivers can get open and he throws pretty good on the run.
Would not count on flacco to do the same so those receiver probably wont work out here other then baldwin and he aint going anywhere.....

 

[Tank]

I think the QB and offense issues is attributed to not getting receiver talent. This ship is only going to continue to sink if the Ravens don't try to find good receiving talent.

I agree. I watched a rerun of Seahawks Texans. Looked to me like receivers making plays for their QB all over!! Not a lot of precision routes, timing and tight throws that game. But more of receivers making great plays for their QB!! A luxury joe sure knows nothing of. Lots of good receivers will hit the market. Ravens need to get one!! Like for real!! Can probably get Marqise/ Paul Richardson cheaper than Jefferson costed. If there is salary cap excuses then all it means is ravens aren't making offense a priority. Like it found a way to pay Jefferson. If management can't find a way to sign a receiver it means it is not wanting to invest in offense

I’m not sure why this obvious fact is so hard for some to understand. To have a successful passing game you need guys that can make plays and actually catch the ball. It ain’t rocket science.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I agree. I watched a rerun of Seahawks Texans. Looked to me like receivers making plays for their QB all over!! Not a lot of precision routes, timing and tight throws that game. But more of receivers making great plays for their QB!! A luxury joe sure knows nothing of. Lots of good receivers will hit the market. Ravens need to get one!! Like for real!! Can probably get Marqise/ Paul Richardson cheaper than Jefferson costed. If there is salary cap excuses then all it means is ravens aren't making offense a priority. Like it found a way to pay Jefferson. If management can't find a way to sign a receiver it means it is not wanting to invest in offense

Lee isn't Gina be making plays for his qb though. He struggles to get off the line, drops balls, can't attack the ball, and can't make catches with a db within 3 yards of him.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

torrey had a pretty darn good season in 2014 tbh.

767 yards 11 TDs and 261 yards on 12 PI plays lol

I love how PI yardage was a primary stat for Torrey when he was here. Like how often do you see that? You couldn't describe like a quarter of his success here without giving the PI yardage

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Ravens have tied more money in the offense then the defense for years now so this not a priority crap is just plain none sense and based on nothing.

Also Russel buys time with his feet so that his receivers can get open and he throws pretty good on the run.
Would not count on flacco to do the same so those receiver probably wont work out here other then baldwin and he aint going anywhere.....

Eliminate flaccos cap hit though and then what's the difference on each side of the ball? That's a better measure on what we allocate to joes supporting cast. Wallace, maclin, perriman, Watson, Howard, yanda, Stanley, maxx, other than that it's all castoffs gained with very little investment, and even some of those names are average at best, and even 2 of those names hasn't panned out due to injury.

 

[rossihunter2]

Lot of good WRs on the free agent market that have skills of a legit No.1. And none of them will break the bank. Most can be signed for less money than Jefferson costed.

if they have skills of legit no 1s then they will likely break the bank and cost more than jefferson - because guys with no 1 skills rarely hit free agency

 

[The Greek]

I think people are getting the wrong idea on how much this falls on Engram. Engram has been here since 2014, it's not like he has been here since this franchise existence. This problem we have with rookie receivers extends far beyond him. The Ravens simply have to do a better job of evaluating talent at the receiver position. For all the praise I give Ozzie Newsome, I will say that his weakness is finding young receiver talent. Yes, I give Ozzie most of the blame here, for all the years we have had trouble in finding receiving talent, the one constant has always been Ozzie. Engram's job isn't to help just the young receivers develop, he's also responsible for the veterans as well and Mike Wallace, Kamar Aiken and Steve Smith Sr. have all had career rejuvenations here and I think Engram deserves credit for that, as does Ozzie, in this case you can certainly credit Joe as well but I think Engram was given credit by those three on what they have done here.


In terms of Perriman, Moore, Matthews and others? Just what did you expect of them? I can understand Perriman but Moore was a guy who went in the 4th round for a reason, and I think Chris Matthews was cut by the Seahawks mid-season of 2015 before coming here. I don't think we have given Engram a serious young talent outside of Perriman who cannot stay healthy for the life of him. How can Engram work with someone who isn't on the field to begin with?

I think Calvin Ridley will solve this issue for us but it will potentially take the Ravens making a move for him. If they're serious about getting young talent then they need to act on it.

antonio brown was a 6th rd pick, hines ward and wallace were 3rd rd picks and they had solid careers. i agree ozzie should take blame but the receiver coach should as well. i wish they would have tried hard to get benjamin and they could have freed up the $$ to make it happen. wallace $8 million is off the books after the season.

 

[BloodRaven]

We definitely need a veteran presence at WR and TE once Wallace and Watson are gone next year, we just need to make our money stretch a little further.

 

[JAAM]

We definitely need a veteran presence at WR and TE once Wallace and Watson are gone next year, we just need to make our money stretch a little further.

I think we might retain Watson. Looking at the TE market, it’s pretty thin, especially for vets. Watson has been relatively productive this season and still has sure hands, albeit little to no speed. I hope we start Boyle next year. If he had more chances, he’d be an absolute stud with how violent he plays. As for a veteran WR, I hope we can somehow get Fitz.

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

I think we might retain Watson. Looking at the TE market, it’s pretty thin, especially for vets. Watson has been relatively productive this season and still has sure hands, albeit little to no speed. I hope we start Boyle next year. If he had more chances, he’d be an absolute stud with how violent he plays. As for a veteran WR, I hope we can somehow get Fitz.

Hasn't Boyle been playing a lot this year already with all the injuries we've had?

I think we'll probably end up drafting another TE this year. I'm still holding onto a very thin hope that Maxx Williams can start living up to his potential, but it looks like he might end up being another wasted 2nd round pick since he can't seem to stay on the field.

 

[Tru11]

Eliminate flaccos cap hit though and then what's the difference on each side of the ball? That's a better measure on what we allocate to joes supporting cast. Wallace, maclin, perriman, Watson, Howard, yanda, Stanley, maxx, other than that it's all castoffs gained with very little investment, and even some of those names are average at best, and even 2 of those names hasn't panned out due to injury.

eliminating flacco leaves pretty much no difference.

so they are equally spending on both sides when you leave flacco out.

however the QB is part of the offense so its retarded to not count him.

investing more in the defense is just a baseless excuse......

 

[Tru11]

I love how PI yardage was a primary stat for Torrey when he was here. Like how often do you see that? You couldn't describe like a quarter of his success here without giving the PI yardage

ill take those PI over whatever perriman has been doing so far....

 

[rossihunter2]

eliminating flacco leaves pretty much no difference.

so they are equally spending on both sides when you leave flacco out.

however the QB is part of the offense so its retarded to not count him.

investing more in the defense is just a baseless excuse......

There’s a difference in investment - a lot of our offensive money is spent on other teams players and not on high draft picks - outside of perriman, maxx and Ronnie we haven’t got many day 1 or 2 picks on offence

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

ill take those PI over whatever perriman has been doing so far....

Actual footage of Perriman this season:

 

[Tru11]

There’s a difference in investment - a lot of our offensive money is spent on other teams players and not on high draft picks - outside of perriman, maxx and Ronnie we haven’t got many day 1 or 2 picks on offence

not entirely true.

about 63% of our offense cap is spend on players drafted by the ravens including flacco.

with out flacco that number is around 47%.

will be going up if we resign Jensen and maybe some other guys......

 

[rossihunter2]

not entirely true.

about 63% of our offense cap is spend on players drafted by the ravens including flacco.

with out flacco that number is around 47%.

I more meant HIGH draft investment turning into money rather than picks in general

 

[Tru11]

I more meant HIGH draft investment turning into money rather than picks in general

Past 3 drafts we spend as much high picks on offense as on defense lol.

 

[Deebo813]

I agree. I watched a rerun of Seahawks Texans. Looked to me like receivers making plays for their QB all over!! Not a lot of precision routes, timing and tight throws that game. But more of receivers making great plays for their QB!! A luxury joe sure knows nothing of. Lots of good receivers will hit the market. Ravens need to get one!! Like for real!! Can probably get Marqise/ Paul Richardson cheaper than Jefferson costed. If there is salary cap excuses then all it means is ravens aren't making offense a priority. Like it found a way to pay Jefferson. If management can't find a way to sign a receiver it means it is not wanting to invest in offense

I agree, however joe is still terrible. Not as accurate as wilson