Yeah I do get it to some extent. I think Okoye and Urban both provide value in spurts as well, but if it's Peebles vs. Bryan, give me Peebles. Bryan looks like a guy out there. Nothing more, nothing less. Just kind of exists.
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redrum52
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Think we're trying to tank Tyler's contra t by sitting him between those guards.
Been thinking he's someone we might try to work a reasonable deal with this offseason
They'd like to keep him, but will come down to price obviously
Baltimorican
Pro Bowler
You're weird. Henry is not a good goal line back? His 16 TD's last year weren't a big part of our identity? That's crazy talk. Henry is 2nd only to Hurts as the most feared players in those situations.
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Baltimorican
Pro Bowler
Is that a bad plan?
redrum52
Hall of Famer
Trust me when I say no one fears hurts...
Baltimorican
Pro Bowler
The greatest short yardage player in history. Might be average at everything else but he is that.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
How many of his 16 TDs were from the goal line? Somebody hasn't done their research...
Can you provide me some quotes from players, coaches, etc. who said that Derrick Henry is highly feared on the goal line? I've not seen that anywhere. I've seen plenty suggest he's difficult to tackle with a full head of steam in the open field, but that has nothing to do with goal line work.
gtalk12
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Maybe if we had the O-line from 2019.
This line currently can't execute that. I have never seen Henry get hit this many times behind the line
Baltimorican
Pro Bowler
10 m'fer! 10 Tuddies from inside the 5 rushing and another receiving. 4 more from 6-7yds. Stop being such a contrarian man! Or don't , keep declaring that the best power back of his generation with 55 career TD's inside the 5 magically transforms into a red zone rando.
Weirdo.
rmcjacket23
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Bingo. Henry is a downhill runner who excels when he gets downhill. When he doesn't have good blocking, he's not the guy to make a bunch of guys miss in the whole. He's going to struggle. Short yardage situations are effectively in exercise in Oline vs Dline winning the reps. We don't have the line to win that consistently.
So why fans feel like that's the best option I have no idea. And the "identity" from five years ago or even last year isn't the same as the "identity" from this year.
rmcjacket23
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Inside the 5 isn't the same as on the goal line. The goal line isn't five yards out.
Now step 2 is comparing the running game last year to this year, and then realizing "o fuck they're not close to the same".
JO_75
Hall of Famer
Yep, we are running Henry as if we still have the line from 2019. That's the problem, now tell Yanda to start eating like crazy and put on the weight by Minnesota.
redrum52
Hall of Famer
the line was more at fault for Henry's fumble against the Bills than he was. Shouldn't be this many free runners getting to him behind the line
Baltimorican
Pro Bowler
What is the goal line then? Inside the 3? Ok, only EIGHT then, good grief (which is silly because you're only punishing the stat for being more effective from even further out) The running game is not the same is the point. They have to get back to being money when they are down there close. Yes they should be able to hammer Henry inside the 5 at will, its a big part of how they finish drives and that's maybe the most impirtant factor in winning NFL football games.
rmcjacket23
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"They have to get back to being money". No shit. "Because it's what I did last year" isn't an effective strategy for achieving that when your personnel are different and when the guys you had aren't executing at the same level.
Nobody cares about "should be". The objective is to score, not to score in a single way because it makes some yuppee on a blog board wants to suck off the big RB. The best strategy in an offense like this one is to not take the ball out of the hands of an MVP QB.
And its not punishing the stat for being further out. It's understanding that NFL defenses play things differently from different yardages, and that yes, even a couple yards changes coverages dramatically.
Did you calculate the amount of failed attempts within that period, or do those not matter?
gtalk12
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We are not a power running team. We are going to have to run more stretch runs and bounce to the outside because trying to run by the guards just isn't working consistently. I could be wrong, but the biggest run yesterday was when Henry bounced to the outside. This is why I said maybe we should utilize Keaton a bit more simply for his speed to get out there.
Unless Lamar takes it himself, I do not trust this line in the interior with those guards and even then Lamar has been reluctant to run for a few reasons one of them being just how bad these guys get beat when trying to take off.
I have never seen in the Lamar era, this many free runners go at him and same goes for Henry getting tackled in the backfield. This is a finesse team at best.
We've failed WAY too many times for me to feel comfortable running Henry up the gut to pick up 2 yards.
Unless Lamar takes it himself, I do not trust this line in the interior with those guards and even then Lamar has been reluctant to run for a few reasons one of them being just how bad these guys get beat when trying to take off.
I have never seen in the Lamar era, this many free runners go at him and same goes for Henry getting tackled in the backfield. This is a finesse team at best.
We've failed WAY too many times for me to feel comfortable running Henry up the gut to pick up 2 yards.
