The TEs, the Turnovers, and the Jackson 4 out of 5

[Simba]

Also forgot to mention… running game works better when we spread it out right now. Going heavy seems to telegraph too much, and we can’t get away with that with our current OL. Not like recent years where we can tell other teams exactly what we’re doing and dare them to stop it.

 

[gtalk12]

I know I have mentioned this before but games like this are a glimpse into the future of what Lamar is going to look like when his supreme athleticism fades.

This is impressive all things considered

 

[Baltimorican]

Also forgot to mention… running game works better when we spread it out right now. Going heavy seems to telegraph too much, and we can’t get away with that with our current OL. Not like recent years where we can tell other teams exactly what we’re doing and dare them to stop it.

The old adage is you run with your guards and pass with your tackles. I feel like that saying is getting beaten into my brains every week.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Also forgot to mention… running game works better when we spread it out right now. Going heavy seems to telegraph too much, and we can’t get away with that with our current OL. Not like recent years where we can tell other teams exactly what we’re doing and dare them to stop it.

Also lends credence to the fact that I have no idea why fans think the goal line is "give it to Henry 4 times" territory. He's not a great short yardage back (never has been) and the Oline isn't effective on condensed fields in the running game.

We aren't very effective in goal line situations anyway, but running a spread out O and having some variability between pass and run is optimal. No idea why people want to line up in I formation and ram it up the middle four times.

 

[Simba]

Also lends credence to the fact that I have no idea why fans think the goal line is "give it to Henry 4 times" territory. He's not a great short yardage back (never has been) and the Oline isn't effective on condensed fields in the running game.

We aren't very effective in goal line situations anyway, but running a spread out O and having some variability between pass and run is optimal. No idea why people want to line up in I formation and ram it up the middle four times.

I'll admit I was calling for that to some extent (but not 4 times obviously) early in the season because it was effective last year and you'd think "hey we only dropped 1 guy this should be doable" but it hasn't been. It's probably taken them a little too long to figure out who they are but it seems the adjustments are starting to be made.

 

[Baltimorican]

I'll admit I was calling for that to some extent (but not 4 times obviously) early in the season because it was effective last year and you'd think "hey we only dropped 1 guy this should be doable" but it hasn't been. It's probably taken them a little too long to figure out who they are but it seems the adjustments are starting to be made.

Henry, Lamar, all those TE's, there's just no excuse to be this miserable in those situations.

 

[redrum52]

I like how Gilman basically said I wasn't a part of that loser shit when I got here in his post game

 

[Truth]

I'll admit I was calling for that to some extent (but not 4 times obviously) early in the season because it was effective last year and you'd think "hey we only dropped 1 guy this should be doable" but it hasn't been. It's probably taken them a little too long to figure out who they are but it seems the adjustments are starting to be made.

To your defense, there's a middle ground between both sides, I feel. I don't know what his numbers were in 2024, but in 2023, Henry was the 4th best short-yardage back in the NFL, converting at 83%. I went back to dissect it, and it was fairly straight forward. Mostly dives and stretches out of the I-formation. We did some of that last night, with two varying results.

The first attempt was a healthy 6 yard gain that was almost a score. Brace yourself for the second attempt:

On a run intended into the center of the defensive line, FB Pat Ricard blocks LCB Jack Jones. LG Andrew Vorhees pulls and doubles on an already halted DLE Bradley Chubb. And nobody touches MLB Tyrel Dodson and ROLB Jaelan Phillips, who meet at the summit for a TFL. The closest assignment adjacent to Dodson is RG Daniel Faalele, who's immediately beaten by a swim move courtesy of LDT Jordan Phillips, and thus can't finish out the combo block to move onto the MIKE.

Then we pivoted to two passing plays, and worked off of the running game for the score. Which is a solid mix of both facets. But nobody can look at the play above and tell me any RB is supposed to make it through that gauntlet. That is the definition of doomed by design.

 

[Baltimorican]

To your defense, there's a middle ground between both sides, I feel. I don't know what his numbers were in 2024, but in 2023, Henry was the 4th best short-yardage back in the NFL, converting at 83%. I went back to dissect it, and it was fairly straight forward. Mostly dives and stretches out of the I-formation. We did some of that last night, with two varying results.

The first attempt was a healthy 6 yard gain that was almost a score. Brace yourself for the second attempt:


View attachment 7482

On a run intended into the center of the defensive line, FB Pat Ricard blocks LCB Jack Jones. LG Andrew Vorhees pulls and doubles on an already halted DLE Bradley Chubb. And nobody touches MLB Tyrel Dodson and ROLB Jaelan Phillips, who meet at the summit for a TFL. The closest assignment adjacent to Dodson is RG Daniel Faalele, who's immediately beaten by a swim move courtesy of LDT Jordan Phillips, and thus can't finish out the combo block to move onto the MIKE.

Then we pivoted to two passing plays, and worked off of the running game for the score. Which is a solid mix of both facets. But nobody can look at the play above and tell me any RB is supposed to make it through that gauntlet. That is the definition of doomed by design.

Ramming Henry for tuddies inside the 5 is a huge part of this team's identity, if they can't do that then they have to fix it. End stop.

 

[gtalk12]

To your defense, there's a middle ground between both sides, I feel. I don't know what his numbers were in 2024, but in 2023, Henry was the 4th best short-yardage back in the NFL, converting at 83%. I went back to dissect it, and it was fairly straight forward. Mostly dives and stretches out of the I-formation. We did some of that last night, with two varying results.

The first attempt was a healthy 6 yard gain that was almost a score. Brace yourself for the second attempt:


View attachment 7482

On a run intended into the center of the defensive line, FB Pat Ricard blocks LCB Jack Jones. LG Andrew Vorhees pulls and doubles on an already halted DLE Bradley Chubb. And nobody touches MLB Tyrel Dodson and ROLB Jaelan Phillips, who meet at the summit for a TFL. The closest assignment adjacent to Dodson is RG Daniel Faalele, who's immediately beaten by a swim move courtesy of LDT Jordan Phillips, and thus can't finish out the combo block to move onto the MIKE.

Then we pivoted to two passing plays, and worked off of the running game for the score. Which is a solid mix of both facets. But nobody can look at the play above and tell me any RB is supposed to make it through that gauntlet. That is the definition of doomed by design.

BRO WHAT IS FAALELE DOING MAN.....

 

[gtalk12]

Ramming Henry for tuddies inside the 5 is a huge part of this team's identity, if they can't do that then they have to fix it. End stop.

Or we could simple put the ball in the 2 time MVP's hands and let him make some decisions with the rock

 

[Baltimorican]

Or we could simple put the ball in the 2 time MVP's hands and let him make some decisions with the rock

We should be scoring at will down there doing both!

 

[Truth]

BRO WHAT IS FAALELE DOING MAN.....

Unfortunately, the same thing that's plagued him in a lot of his beats. Committing to immediately putting his head down and estimating where the defender is. I get that winning the leverage battle given his height is always an uphill climb. But this approach rarely goes his way. I also am grimacing at Vorhees and Ricard blocking away from the path of the play. Perhaps that's just the design. But I'd like to see Vorhees specifically search for an unblocked defender as a puller instead of needlessly adding on to the pile. Ugly performance all around by the block party.

 

[Simba]

Unfortunately, the same thing that's plagued him in a lot of his beats. Committing to immediately putting his head down and estimating where the defender is. I get that winning the leverage battle given his height is always an uphill climb. But this approach rarely goes his way. I also am grimacing at Vorhees and Ricard blocking away from the path of the play. Perhaps that's just the design. But I'd like to see Vorhees specifically search for an unblocked defender as a puller instead of needlessly adding on to the pile. Ugly performance all around by the block party.

Which is wild because it feels like this mostly happens in the red zone, because he's fairly solid most of the time otherwise. I don't know if he gets happy feet and doesn't have confidence, but it's weird how his first move is seemingly always "lunge" in the red zone. Man is just so Jekyll and Hyde. When he misses, he misses bad.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Ramming Henry for tuddies inside the 5 is a huge part of this team's identity, if they can't do that then they have to fix it. End stop.

lol it's not even in the stratosphere of this team's identity.

 

[rmcjacket23]

To your defense, there's a middle ground between both sides, I feel. I don't know what his numbers were in 2024, but in 2023, Henry was the 4th best short-yardage back in the NFL, converting at 83%. I went back to dissect it, and it was fairly straight forward. Mostly dives and stretches out of the I-formation. We did some of that last night, with two varying results.

The first attempt was a healthy 6 yard gain that was almost a score. Brace yourself for the second attempt:


View attachment 7482

On a run intended into the center of the defensive line, FB Pat Ricard blocks LCB Jack Jones. LG Andrew Vorhees pulls and doubles on an already halted DLE Bradley Chubb. And nobody touches MLB Tyrel Dodson and ROLB Jaelan Phillips, who meet at the summit for a TFL. The closest assignment adjacent to Dodson is RG Daniel Faalele, who's immediately beaten by a swim move courtesy of LDT Jordan Phillips, and thus can't finish out the combo block to move onto the MIKE.

Then we pivoted to two passing plays, and worked off of the running game for the score. Which is a solid mix of both facets. But nobody can look at the play above and tell me any RB is supposed to make it through that gauntlet. That is the definition of doomed by design.

I've never been a fan of Olineman pulling on the goal line.

 

[Simba]

On the other side of the trenches though... it ain't flashy but healthy Travis Jones is back and it's paying off. It feels really unfortunate that he doesn't have a competent running mate outside of Jenkins to take advantage of what he's doing. Feels like a spot where Peebles could fit but they're worried about that run defense...

 

[Truth]

I've never been a fan of Olineman pulling on the goal line.

Right there with you on that. Sure, it worked on the previous play, but we were 7 yards from the end zone. But it just feels like a different ball game when you're within a few yards.

 

[Simba]

Give this man whatever money it takes

 

[JoeyFlex5]

On the other side of the trenches though... it ain't flashy but healthy Travis Jones is back and it's paying off. It feels really unfortunate that he doesn't have a competent running mate outside of Jenkins to take advantage of what he's doing. Feels like a spot where Peebles could fit but they're worried about that run defense...

I’ve been upset that peebles has been a healthy scratch but last night tells me that yeah we need guys who can hold up in the run game. Our run D is essentially jones and Jenkins holding up and Ro/Hamilton cleaning up