So is it Peter woods, bane jr, or one of the tackle projects to play LG next year and LT in two years?
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The Embarrassment, the Blowout and the Coaching
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JO_75
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It's amazing watching every other team realizing that coaching is 100% the problem. Vrabel can coach his team to not only beat the same Bills team we lost too, but hold them to half the points we allowed them to score? If that's not enough to launch Orr and Harbaugh into outer space to never be heard of again....
So do do we go after an offensive minded HC or defensive minded? all the current great Dc’s are basically failed head coaches but i actually wouldnt mind one of them.
JAAM
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We have a unicorn in his prime at QB - I’d love to get an offensive minded HC
Agreed but man its been tough seeing this defense like this the past 2 years
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I agree with Jaam let's get a offensive minded coach and D coordinator who knows how to do his job. Atleast, one that has play-calling experience.
I still can't believe we handed over a Ferrari to someone with a learner's permit.
I know everyone is fired up about the coaching, and rightfully so. But the heavy changes y'all want simply aren't happening.
Orr and some of the positional coaches under him are probably most at risk, and I guess there's a world where they look at the OL too.
But firing Harbaugh midseason is most likely not going to happen.
Your options would then be...
- Chuck Pagano, who may end up taking the defensive reigns
- Chris Horton, who everyone hates how his unit is performing
- Todd Monken, who has issues but the track record suggests you probably don't want to put him in a lame duck situation
- Willie Taggart, who is not a good coach
Can't forget that you can't just bring in new faces midseason. Firing guys means other guys step up and take on interim roles. Doing a large restructure like some are calling for is basically impossible.
Orr and some of the positional coaches under him are probably most at risk, and I guess there's a world where they look at the OL too.
But firing Harbaugh midseason is most likely not going to happen.
Your options would then be...
- Chuck Pagano, who may end up taking the defensive reigns
- Chris Horton, who everyone hates how his unit is performing
- Todd Monken, who has issues but the track record suggests you probably don't want to put him in a lame duck situation
- Willie Taggart, who is not a good coach
Can't forget that you can't just bring in new faces midseason. Firing guys means other guys step up and take on interim roles. Doing a large restructure like some are calling for is basically impossible.
^ Difference being if Bisciotti is embarrassed and makes the call. I don't have much insight into his thought process from my guy obviously, but he's much more likely to tell Harbaugh to make a change than make the change on Harbaugh directly if history is any indication. This is obviously a situation that could surprise but it just feels extremely unlikely.
I know Willie Taggart had some ups and downs results as head coach in the college ranks but I wouldn't say he isn't a good coach. The running backs in general haven't been all that successful due to the offensive line running blocking being pretty poor at times.
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Yeah I mean anyone with half a brain can see the Harbaugh firing is after the season, not mid-season.
If they get trucked by the Rams and look inept on D, I don't see how they don't make a DC change during the bye. If nothing else, John knows he's coaching for his job, and if he does nothing, he's a lame duck too. Even if he doesn't believe Orr is the problem, which I think he's A problem but not THE problem.
I think it has to be a coaching change, mainly because I don't see who the player replacements are this time. At least last year, you could kind of tell that Safeties were dogshit and holding us back. The other units weren't great, but were playing OK. You've got guys playing like dogshit at every level of the defense right now. You'd have to bench a half dozen guys.
Taggart is a multiple time failed coach who only has a job here because of the Harbaugh connection. He's not a viable interim replacement.
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So from my perspective, it kind of doesn't matter. You're basically looking for a culture change to a certain extent. The bigger question is whether EDC is still the GM (I think he stays).
Regardless, I think fans are lost to the fact that when Harbaugh is gone, ALL the coaches are gone. Orr, Monken, etc. Not many paths where you like hire a defensive-minded HC and then we like keep Monken. That rarely happens. If you hire somebody with experience, they've already got a pipeline of guys they want to work with and will go that route. Even if you hire a OC or DC from another team without HC experience, they'll likely just elevate some positional coaches from the team they're on to be OC or DC.
A regime change is a regime change. I feel like some fans think that like Monken will still be here. I don't see it.
My ultimate preference is to get an offensive guy, simply because I think there's plenty of good DC's out there that can run at least an average D, which is really all you need in this league.
I agree, and that's tough for me to say as someone that usually puts more on players than coaches. But a team that looks this flat, disinterested, and confused... gotta point to the guys in charge.
I think the only player movement that makes sense is probably in the defensive front 7. Rotate guys in and out and see what sticks. There's not enough talent at any of those positions groups where I'd be scared of losing somebody in order to try something else out. You've got 14 guys rostered in the front 7 currently and I'd say there are 5 that are potential long-term contributors, 3 veterans on the last year that you could move via trade potentially, and the rest are back end of the roster fodder that you could sub in and out easily without much negative impact most likely.
I think I read your first post wrong as you initially mentioned that Harbaugh most likely won't be fired midseason then mentioned the other current coaches on the staff. I wasnt sure if you was mentioning them as interim replacement at the head coach position or something else. Im aware of Willie Taggart success and failured as a head coach but I can't agree that he isn't a good coach in general especially as a running back coach.
I dnt think edc will get fired, shit he better not. Its actually no reason to fire him imo. That would be crazy as hell, that would be worse than hiring orr. Only thing i hate about all the coaching changes is that it will likely set you back for atleast a year.
I also prefer an offensive minded guy but the great ones are usually never available. There are gonna be guys like flores, fagaino and spags( dont want) who will likely be available vs people like joe brady and kliff who i think monken is better than, so unless we find the next sean mccvay, it could be tough.. with that being said, i wouldnt mind flores depending whose out there
Yeah that was just an if they fire Harbaugh thing, those are the options essentially. Monken and Pagano make the most sense on paper either way.
I personally rather John Harbaugh continue to be the head coach . Honestly EDC whom I think is a great general manager kind of let the coaching staff down in rewards to addressing the trenches on both the offense and defense side of the team. It doesn't happen often at all for a new head coach to be hired by a team then instantly take the team to the super bowl within his first season coaching the team. It's not impossible for it to happen but it's not something that happens often within the NFL either. But hey what ever happens, happens I guess
DeCosta should not be at risk. This team is too talented for that to be the case, even though they're injured or not playing like it right now. I get the concerns about the allocation of resources and he certainly shoulders some of the blame for the struggles, but I'm not overlooking everything else.
On the coaching front, it really feels like this team could benefit from someone who's done this before in order to keep the window open as long as we can. A young first timer is the new and shiny thing, but that usually takes some time to build. What this team needs most right now is discipline and focus on the fundamentals. Brian Flores seems like the perfect guy on paper right now but we'll see where the rest of the season leads.
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I'm conflicted on EDC. I don't think he's a bad GM, and I hope he stays.
My problem is... if it's just coaching, shouldn't we just get rid of Harbaugh next year and run it back again with some upgrades? If so, not only do I not think that's what's going to happen, I'd be shocked by it. I think there will be a pretty good amount of turnover in personnel, especially on D. I'm not sure Marlon returns. I'm not sure even Roquan returns. You're obviously going to lose Oweh, Van Noy, possibly Jones, and pretty much all of your secondary depth. If Madubuike doesn't come back, you could functionally see literally an entire new Dline and OLB group.
I think if you're in the camp that the way the roster is constructed is in some ways "backwards", i.e. building from back to front, rather than front to back. that's like 90% EDC. That's how he envisions roster construction. He's the one that hasn't prioritized pass rushers or Oline (interior at least) nearly enough, and he's the one that will spend huge capital on ILB, Safety, and even RB.
If you think that's not how you build a roster, then he either needs a dramatic change in philosophy himself, or he needs to go also.
And I don't disagree with that. I've been spouting all offseason and before we got to see it come to life that I don't know how we watched the Eagles bully their way to a SB win and said nah, we'll add an injured 3rd round pick on OL and a late 6th round pick on DL and said we were good. I think that's a failure, and EDC is accountable for that.
With that being said, he has far too much of a track record for me to say he deserves to lose a job over this. He's drafted and signed far more hits than misses in recent years, relative to draft position and cost of course.
To me, this is where he sinks or swims. You've seen the issues from a roster construction standpoint and it's obvious. I think he deserves the opportunity to correct that heading into next season.