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One honest question: Is there really evidence that being a good coordinator has a 1-to-1 mapping to being a good HC? To me, the two roles are very different and has different requirements of which qualities a candidate needs. That is, an HC needs mainly leadership, assembling a team and all the "strategic" stuff, while a coordinator is largely a nerd/wizard that can hunker down in his schemes and just needs to be good at constructing and calling plays (tactics).
When you guys fall in love with various coordinators, do you generally know anything about them more than that they run an offense/defense that is really successful? That is, do you generally learn things about the details of how they lead people etc? My naive view is that the role of a positional coach should have more in common with an HC role.

I do realize that the natural progression is from coordinator to HC, but I also don't see anything near the case that being good at the former automatically means being good at the other (case studies: McDaniel, Josh and Gase, Adam).
 
marklar said:
One honest question: Is there really evidence that being a good coordinator has a 1-to-1 mapping to being a good HC? To me, the two roles are very different and has different requirements of which qualities a candidate needs. That is, an HC needs mainly leadership, assembling a team and all the "strategic" stuff, while a coordinator is largely a nerd/wizard that can hunker down in his schemes and just needs to be good at constructing and calling plays (tactics).
When you guys fall in love with various coordinators, do you generally know anything about them more than that they run an offense/defense that is really successful? That is, do you generally learn things about the details of how they lead people etc? My naive view is that the role of a positional coach should have more in common with an HC role.

I do realize that the natural progression is from coordinator to HC, but I also don't see anything near the case that being good at the former automatically means being good at the other (case studies: McDaniel, Josh and Gase, Adam).
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OK so obviously being a good coordinator doesn't mean you'll be a good HC. There's a gigantic shit load of examples of coordinators who fail miserably as HCs. The league has plenty of those even today, and every single year HCs get fired who were once great coordinators. That's not new.

But there's just such a small finite number of people that teams would consider "qualified" for these jobs that they pretty much all end up as coordinators beforehand in some form or fashion. If nothing else its the least risky proposition to the franchise. If you go hire like Ted Lasso from a rugby team, you might hit a home run, or you might fail spectacularly. If you take a great play caller off somebody elses team, at the very least, you know he CAN succeed at that position group if the personnel is good enough.

There's a reason why being a HC for like 5-6 years is considered "heavily tenured" in the NFL. Literally like 40% of the league has had a HC vacancy in the last like 12 calendar months. 5 open vacancies, two guys just hired in the last week, and 6 coaches who just finished their first season. Over 50% of the league either doesn't have a HC or has a HC who's been on the job for 2 years or less.

It's a total fucking crapshoot.
 
I'm glad Ben Johnson chose Chicago. I had some reservations about Caleb Williams, but there's no doubting the talent is there and he should be able to take a step under Johnson. Going to LV with that poor roster and their inability to be patient didn't seem like a great choice.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
OK so obviously being a good coordinator doesn't mean you'll be a good HC. There's a gigantic shit load of examples of coordinators who fail miserably as HCs. The league has plenty of those even today, and every single year HCs get fired who were once great coordinators. That's not new.

But there's just such a small finite number of people that teams would consider "qualified" for these jobs that they pretty much all end up as coordinators beforehand in some form or fashion. If nothing else its the least risky proposition to the franchise. If you go hire like Ted Lasso from a rugby team, you might hit a home run, or you might fail spectacularly. If you take a great play caller off somebody elses team, at the very least, you know he CAN succeed at that position group if the personnel is good enough.

There's a reason why being a HC for like 5-6 years is considered "heavily tenured" in the NFL. Literally like 40% of the league has had a HC vacancy in the last like 12 calendar months. 5 open vacancies, two guys just hired in the last week, and 6 coaches who just finished their first season. Over 50% of the league either doesn't have a HC or has a HC who's been on the job for 2 years or less.

It's a total fucking crapshoot.
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no question about that.

You need to be a leader of men, you need to be able hire and manage constantly shifting staff, collaborate with the front office on player acquisition, develop offensive, defensive and special teams identities that work and continue to work year after year and coordinator after coordinator, install a culture of winning, constantly evaluates the players on his own roster to ensure the right guys are there and playing in the best positions to maximize their potential, create game plans every single week against various opponents, watch more film in a week than most members on this board will in a lifetime to try and maximize wins, coach individual players on technique and fundamentals, connect with players and coaches in the building as human beings, collaborate on play design for all three phases of the game.

I could go on and on, but definitely a good or great coordinator doesn't necessarily translate to a great or even a good coach and in many cases they fail.
 
Simba said:
I'm glad Ben Johnson chose Chicago. I had some reservations about Caleb Williams, but there's no doubting the talent is there and he should be able to take a step under Johnson. Going to LV with that poor roster and their inability to be patient didn't seem like a great choice.
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I know we have our OL issues we need to address, but it pales in comparison to the OL issues the Bears have. Good grief. Talk about priority #1, 2, and 3.
 
Interesting coaching news today, and it seems Todd Monken will be back in 2025 for us as we once again try to get a Super Bowl with Lamar.

- Buccaneers bracing for OC Liam Cohen to be offered the Jaguars Head Coaching Job. Baker Mayfield got Dave Canales the Panthers Head Coaching job last year, and now it seems he will be adding Liam Cohen to the list this year.

- The Raiders are targeting former Seahawks Head Coach Pete Carroll after losing out on Ben Johnson.

- The Jets seem to be targeting Commanders Assistant GM Lance Newark & Lions DC Aaron Glenn as the next GM & Head Coach.

- The Colts have hired former Bengals DC Lou Anarumo as their new Defensive Coordinator.

- Speaking of the Bengals, they are targeting Notre Dame DC Al Golden to be their new Defensive Coordinator.
 
JO_75 said:
Interesting coaching news today, and it seems Todd Monken will be back in 2025 for us as we once again try to get a Super Bowl with Lamar.

- Buccaneers bracing for OC Liam Cohen to be offered the Jaguars Head Coaching Job. Baker Mayfield got Dave Canales the Panthers Head Coaching job last year, and now it seems he will be adding Liam Cohen to the list this year.

- The Raiders are targeting former Seahawks Head Coach Pete Carroll after losing out on Ben Johnson.

- The Jets seem to be targeting Commanders Assistant GM Lance Newark & Lions DC Aaron Glenn as the next GM & Head Coach.

- The Colts have hired former Bengals DC Lou Anarumo as their new Defensive Coordinator.

- Speaking of the Bengals, they are targeting Notre Dame DC Al Golden to be their new Defensive Coordinator.
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Keeping Monk would be huge. Allow our guys another year in the same system on both sides of the ball.

Looking at our roster next year should make everyone feel good about another playoff run.

On offense, we need to keep Stanley, upgrade one of the guard spots, and upgrade wr 3.

On defense, draft an edge high. Bring in a vet safety to allow Hamilton to go back to the slot and put Marlo back to outside corner. Bring in competition at ILB 2.

Run it back and see where the chips fall. This team will be back here again next season.
 
All_black_everything said:
Keeping Monk would be huge. Allow our guys another year in the same system on both sides of the ball.

Looking at our roster next year should make everyone feel good about another playoff run.

On offense, we need to keep Stanley, upgrade one of the guard spots, and upgrade wr 3.

On defense, draft an edge high. Bring in a vet safety to allow Hamilton to go back to the slot and put Marlo back to outside corner. Bring in competition at ILB 2.

Run it back and see where the chips fall. This team will be back here again next season.
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Just my personal opinion, but I would not go the vet S route at this point. Too many misses. Meanwhile, other teams are plucking quality guys in the mid rounds. Give me the youth that has room to grow over a guy that we get at or after the peak.
 
JO_75 said:
Interesting coaching news today, and it seems Todd Monken will be back in 2025 for us as we once again try to get a Super Bowl with Lamar.

- Buccaneers bracing for OC Liam Cohen to be offered the Jaguars Head Coaching Job. Baker Mayfield got Dave Canales the Panthers Head Coaching job last year, and now it seems he will be adding Liam Cohen to the list this year.

- The Raiders are targeting former Seahawks Head Coach Pete Carroll after losing out on Ben Johnson.

- The Jets seem to be targeting Commanders Assistant GM Lance Newark & Lions DC Aaron Glenn as the next GM & Head Coach.

- The Colts have hired former Bengals DC Lou Anarumo as their new Defensive Coordinator.

- Speaking of the Bengals, they are targeting Notre Dame DC Al Golden to be their new Defensive Coordinator.
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Bengals should be targeting better players on D, DC is not their problem.

And what the fuck is that avatar of yours?? Take that cheat down.
 
All_black_everything said:
Keeping Monk would be huge. Allow our guys another year in the same system on both sides of the ball.

Looking at our roster next year should make everyone feel good about another playoff run.

On offense, we need to keep Stanley, upgrade one of the guard spots, and upgrade wr 3.

On defense, draft an edge high. Bring in a vet safety to allow Hamilton to go back to the slot and put Marlo back to outside corner. Bring in competition at ILB 2.

Run it back and see where the chips fall. This team will be back here again next season.
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So, if Monken and Harbaugh are staying, will Harbaugh coach a lame duck 2025 season? Win SB and get the extension, lose and bye-bye?
 
allblackraven said:
Bengals should be targeting better players on D, DC is not their problem.

And what the fuck is that avatar of yours?? Take that cheat down.
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I'm just having some fun while I'm still grieving over how many Lombardis Lamar would have with Belichick as coach lol. I'll take it down eventually, asked AI to make a image of Belichick as our Coach and that's what I got lol.
 
Bucs OC Liam Coen is staying in Tampa with a new contract to make him one of the highest paid OCs in the league.

 
although Liam Coen has dropped out of the race, it doesn't look like Monken is still in the running. That being said, it does look like he may be in the running for the Las Vegas job.

www.sportingnews.com

Raiders predicted to hire 3-time offensive coordinator as next head coach | Sporting News

After the Las Vegas Raiders failed to land Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson, who took the head-coach job with the Chicago Bears, the team needs to pivot to another option. One NFL analyst believes it'll be a three-time offensive coordinator who has a wealth of NFL experience.
www.sportingnews.com www.sportingnews.com
 
allblackraven said:
So, if Monken and Harbaugh are staying, will Harbaugh coach a lame duck 2025 season? Win SB and get the extension, lose and bye-bye?
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I’m guessing that’s the case. Part of me was hoping for a coaching change this offseason with him not getting the extension earlier but I don’t think that’s the best option at this point. This team is close no reason for huge changes.
 
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