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Willbacker said:
Trust me the liberal media will not talk about this. It doesn't fit their narrative. Pretty much all the violence that occurs from cops is that the suspects don't do as their asked to do.
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I'm liberal and I see no fault in the way the police acted, so you can stop trying to stereotype.
 
Tank said:
I think this post I made Monday may answer your question. While it may not account for all of the outrage the precedent that was set surely affects the opinions of many.
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But the issue for me is that people looked at Kaep and basically said he was stupid and just kinda blew him off.

Now that other players have joined in, the focus is totally of Kaep and people make it out to be the most disrespectful thing in the world. I don't even think most people consider Kaep at all when making that claim.

Just my thoughts.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
So, at risk of getting into a very long discussion...

In the 50's and 60's, blacks were essentially only allowed to rent in ghettos that were very close together and clumped. Extremely high density, extremely high population totals, very little space.

Even now, I would say very large, very dense cities tend to be disproportionately black. That's a history lesson for another day, but in any case...

These areas are vastly easier to police due to the closeness and the proximity of all the people. I would venture to say that if we looked at the whites crime rates in the inner city vs the suburbs, the crime rates for white people would be vastly higher for the inner city. Similarly, if you could find a predominately black suburbs, I bet the crime rate is vastly lower than the inner city.

Living in a large city just isn't favorable to anyone, in my opinion.
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That's correct, and exactly one the main points in the article. It seems the disproportionate number of blacks killed by police may due to the fact that they are more likely to be involved in violent crime thus being put in the line of fire and not an "inequality" as is claimed by some.

Easier to police? I would defer to the expert opinion of a police officer on that, but would say the opposite is probably true.
 
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29BmoreBird22 said:
I'm liberal and I see no fault in the way the police acted, so you can stop trying to stereotype.
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I'll stop stereotyping when the libs stop calling Trump and Republicans racist. This is the only thing they got I guess. First off Trump was mad at NFL players for not respecting the flag in his opinion not cuz they was black like a lot of media outlets are portraying it as (even tho most white politicians would have been pc which is part of the problem). Also they're now calling him racist with the Puerto Rico situation. Its way different than Fla and Texas where they actually have military bases and way better infrastructure. The mayor in San Juan killed me when she was saying nothing was being done while standing in a warehouse full of pallets of supplies.
 
I saw signs in people's yards today that read USA over NFL. It will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings.
 
Willbacker said:
I'll stop stereotyping when the libs stop calling Trump and Republicans racist. This is the only thing they got I guess. First off Trump was mad at NFL players for not respecting the flag in his opinion not cuz they was black like a lot of media outlets are portraying it as (even tho most white politicians would have been pc which is part of the problem). Also they're now calling him racist with the Puerto Rico situation. Its way different than Fla and Texas where they actually have military bases and way better infrastructure. The mayor in San Juan killed me when she was saying nothing was being done while standing in a warehouse full of pallets of supplies.
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It does drive me crazy also with the racist label always being thrown at Republicans. Van Jones drove me nuts on election night with his whining.
 
Tank said:
That's correct, and exactly one the main points in the article. It seems the disproportionate number of blacks killed by police may due to the fact that they are more likely to be involved in violent crime thus being put in the line of fire and not an "inequality" as is claimed by some.

Easier to police? I would defer to the expert opinion of a police officer on that, but would say the opposite is probably true.
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I would say the only thing easier in the city is that you don't have to travel as far to get to another officer in trouble.
 
cobrajet said:
I saw signs in people's yards today that read USA over NFL. It will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings.
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Thursday night game between the Pack and the Bears which is the oldest rivalry and have fans all over the country had a 13 pt drop compared to last Thursdays game.
 
Tank said:
That's correct, and exactly one the main points in the article. It seems the disproportionate number of blacks killed by police may due to the fact that they are more likely to be involved in violent crime thus being put in the line of fire and not an "inequality" as is claimed by some.

Easier to police? I would defer to the expert opinion of a police officer on that, but would say the opposite is probably true.
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Easier to police in the sense that if I have 10 people per square foot, it's easier to watch them than 1 person per 10 square feet and trying to watch 10 in the latter.
 
Willbacker said:
I'll stop stereotyping when the libs stop calling Trump and Republicans racist. This is the only thing they got I guess. First off Trump was mad at NFL players for not respecting the flag in his opinion not cuz they was black like a lot of media outlets are portraying it as (even tho most white politicians would have been pc which is part of the problem). Also they're now calling him racist with the Puerto Rico situation. Its way different than Fla and Texas where they actually have military bases and way better infrastructure. The mayor in San Juan killed me when she was saying nothing was being done while standing in a warehouse full of pallets of supplies.
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The thing is, there shouldn't be much difficulty actually reaching Puerto Rico, which is still a US territory.

I live near Norfolk and there are carriers that sit in port literally doing nothing. If one were mobilized, you're talking a week between loading it and travel.

It isn't a big deal to actually send relief efforts.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
So, at risk of getting into a very long discussion...

In the 50's and 60's, blacks were essentially only allowed to rent in ghettos that were very close together and clumped. Extremely high density, extremely high population totals, very little space.

Even now, I would say very large, very dense cities tend to be disproportionately black. That's a history lesson for another day, but in any case...

These areas are vastly easier to police due to the closeness and the proximity of all the people. I would venture to say that if we looked at the whites crime rates in the inner city vs the suburbs, the crime rates for white people would be vastly higher for the inner city. Similarly, if you could find a predominately black suburbs, I bet the crime rate is vastly lower than the inner city.

Living in a large city just isn't favorable to anyone, in my opinion.
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Exactly this, and I have a glimpse at the other side of the picture. Living and working in Harford County, I can honestly go days or even a week without seeing a cop. If I do, it's a trooper on 95. I live in one of the more diverse parts of Harford, and in two years, I haven't seen a cop once in my neighborhood. The compactness of cities and the housing policies that led to disproportionate distribution is definitely part of the problem with the issue in Baltimore. These housing policies persist, still, in different forms.

Democrats have pushed for the "Move to Opportunity" program, increasing racial diversity both in the city and the county. Republicans have fought it every step. While I don't think the racial implications are why Republicans have fought it, their fighting it has certainly had an impact there, intentional or not.
 
The Raven said:
Exactly this, and I have a glimpse at the other side of the picture. Living and working in Harford County, I can honestly go days or even a week without seeing a cop. If I do, it's a trooper on 95. I live in one of the more diverse parts of Harford, and in two years, I haven't seen a cop once in my neighborhood. The compactness of cities and the housing policies that led to disproportionate distribution is definitely part of the problem with the issue in Baltimore. These housing policies persist, still, in different forms.

Democrats have pushed for the "Move to Opportunity" program, increasing racial diversity both in the city and the county. Republicans have fought it every step. While I don't think the racial implications are why Republicans have fought it, their fighting it has certainly had an impact there, intentional or not.
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I live in Williamsburg now and the most I ever saw cops was working at CFA in high school.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
The thing is, there shouldn't be much difficulty actually reaching Puerto Rico, which is still a US territory.

I live near Norfolk and there are carriers that sit in port literally doing nothing. If one were mobilized, you're talking a week between loading it and travel.

It isn't a big deal to actually send relief efforts.
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The supplies are there. Its the distribution on the ground that's the problem. The whole power grid got knocked out. The roads are flooded. PR got not 1 but 2 hurricanes with Maria being a Cat 5
 
Willbacker said:
The supplies are there. Its the distribution on the ground that's the problem. The whole power grid got knocked out. The roads are flooded. PR got not 1 but 2 hurricanes with Maria being a Cat 5
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Like 99% certain that those supplies are not from America and Trump has done next to nothing to actually help Puerto Rico.

One thing that would be immensely helpful is sending fuel to Puerto Rico.
 
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