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most thangs the prez gets firey about have little to nothing of importance behind them. he started this media and twitter fireball but for every person that says peacefully protest is wrong theres a thousand that believe it is right. all ya have to do is look at the NFL attendance to see this is a lotta smoke and no fire.
i think we need to concentrate on pitsburgh. we always match up well but my worry is big has ben may shred our secondray.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance/_/year/2017
 
Hate that this has come into football. Don't think there is any place for politics in sport.

Hate it in soccer to.

In saying that, it was really trump that started it.

Hopefully everyone has made their point to trump and it goes away from sport now, and the players find a better way to fight the injustice rather than what they've been doing.
 
Trump didn't *start* it. This was going on last year.

All Trump did was dump a shit ton of lighter fluid and plenty of ventilation to what was seemingly a dying fire.
 
This is my final say on this matter. Didn't the whole kneeling during the Anthem start because of the police who use excessive force or abuse their power? That's what this whole thing is about right, now it's a good cause because the bad cops who do abuse their power, hide behind their badge and uniform as an excuse for excessive force need to be dealt with. My question is, what exactly does kneeling during the anthem do to take steps toward a solution to ending this once and for all? The players are all knee, no action because it's like your kneeling but that isn't showing me that you want to help find a solution.

If these players want to help end this and find a solution, instead of kneeling during the Anthem go talk to the Police Commissioner, Chief, etc in their respective cities and states and ask them why they don't punish the bad cops, or as Trump said "Fire Their Asses". When you hear about police using excessive force or abusing their power, the very next thing is them being put on paid leave during the investigation. Then we never hear anything about it again and the officer is allowed to return like nothing happened. The players and now Owners need to get involved and find out why the Police Chief, Commissioner, etc does not discipline their officers and work together to take the steps, not a knee but the STEPS necessary to find a solution and put an end to it once and for all.

That's where the NFL players and owners can make a difference. Going and talking to the Head Honchos in charge that hide their cops via "paid suspension" until it dies down and asking them to actually do something about the bad cops instead of letting them keep their badges. No more paid suspensions, leaves, whatever they want to call it as their way of trying to save face in a PR battle with the public. That's where the player's angers should be directed toward. Now Trump did go too far in the name calling and calling all players who kneel SOBs, so their anger toward him is justified. Taking it out on the Anthem by kneeling does not direct the anger where it should be, which is toward the head honchos who allow officers to abuse their power and do nothing about it.

Ive been thinking the same thing. To me protesting only goes so far, if you truly want something done, YOU GO TO THE SOURCE. I never understood this with people, instead of beating around the bush and such, why don't these players actually meet and talk with people to try to work towards a solution. To me, that sets a better example for ALL people on how you work towards a solution and have progress in a matter. Yes, protesting can raise awareness, but what is the next step? Are people just going to continue to protest and do nothing to work towards a solution? Or are they actually going to go to their city officials or government and attempt to work towards progress? To me, all this protesting isn't getting anyone anywhere. Idk, I just see having actual conversations with people at the source to be more constructive and having more progress then just protesting all the time.
 
Ive been thinking the same thing. To me protesting only goes so far, if you truly want something done, YOU GO TO THE SOURCE. I never understood this with people, instead of beating around the bush and such, why don't these players actually meet and talk with people to try to work towards a solution. To me, that sets a better example for ALL people on how you work towards a solution and have progress in a matter. Yes, protesting can raise awareness, but what is the next step? Are people just going to continue to protest and do nothing to work towards a solution? Or are they actually going to go to their city officials or government and attempt to work towards progress? To me, all this protesting isn't getting anyone anywhere. Idk, I just see having actual conversations with people at the source to be more constructive and having more progress then just protesting all the time.
Pretty sure the Seahakes are in the news for meeting with their police force...
 
Like I said earlier.
I think protesting the National Anthem over police brutality, is akin to protsting drinking and driving in front of the Marlboro factory.
 
Pretty sure the Seahakes are in the news for meeting with their police force...

Ok that’s good, one team so far. When the others follow suit then we’ll be on to something. I wasn’t so much as just talking about the teams just doing it, I was talking about everyone who is protesting on these matters.
 
Ive been thinking the same thing. To me protesting only goes so far, if you truly want something done, YOU GO TO THE SOURCE. I never understood this with people, instead of beating around the bush and such, why don't these players actually meet and talk with people to try to work towards a solution. To me, that sets a better example for ALL people on how you work towards a solution and have progress in a matter. Yes, protesting can raise awareness, but what is the next step? Are people just going to continue to protest and do nothing to work towards a solution? Or are they actually going to go to their city officials or government and attempt to work towards progress? To me, all this protesting isn't getting anyone anywhere. Idk, I just see having actual conversations with people at the source to be more constructive and having more progress then just protesting all the time.

While I 100% agree with you its those city officials that I don't trust.
 
Trump didn't *start* it. This was going on last year.

All Trump did was dump a shit ton of lighter fluid and plenty of ventilation to what was seemingly a dying fire.

I really hate what he did, the left then hijacked the cause they really did not care for and made it a them vs Trump thing.


All ignoring the reason for the protest to begin with. Once again a cause meant to bring awareness to a subject has turned into a political fire storm. Most of those who now support the cause do not know why, they just know that Trump does not like it.
 
While I 100% agree with you its those city officials that I don't trust.

Yeah I agree there. Some are corrupt, but the only way to know is to just do it. You take direct action to solve a problem, and that direct action is discussion. If you talk with a corrupt official that doesn't end up doing anything? Then you keep talking to people until you find someone who DOES do something
 
And apparently did the likes of Malcolm Jenkins, Boldin, Torrey, Jeffrey Lurie, and the commissioner himself....

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...lk-criminal-justice-reform-with-lurie-eagles/
That's not hugely surprising to me, but it is encouraging to see.

When people say that football players need to actually do something and not just talk or protest, it's annoying because generally, the players ARE doing something through appearances, meetings, charity, etc.
 
That's not hugely surprising to me, but it is encouraging to see.

When people say that football players need to actually do something and not just talk or protest, it's annoying because generally, the players ARE doing something through appearances, meetings, charity, etc.
Agreed. It's either people want them to use their voices or not. Honestly, if people want the NFL to STRICTLY keep it about football, then they should stop with the pink-outlined shoes for Breast Cancer Awareness month as well. After all, what does wearing pink-related clothing do to directly cure cancer? Or am I sounding a little ignorant? If I am, then I apologize in advance.
 
Agreed. It's either people want them to use their voices or not. Honestly, if people want the NFL to STRICTLY keep it about football, then they should stop with the pink-outlined shoes for Breast Cancer Awareness month as well. After all, what does wearing pink-related clothing do to directly cure cancer? Or am I sounding a little ignorant? If I am, then I apologize in advance.
I think people get upset because the topic makes them uncomfortable. No one seriously wants to believe inequality and injustice exist, and in my opinion, especially not white people.

Any time injustice and inequality for other races gets brought up, it usually gets tied back to white people and they don't like that. They don't want to think that their ancestors owned slaves or participated in the oppression of blacks in the 50s and 60s and had a large hand in the inequality that exists today. But truly, black people will usually pull the race card (notable shooting happens, "Would this happen if the person was white?") and so the topic is terribly uncomfortable.

If they were kneeling to protest high food costs at the stadium to improve a better fan experience, do you think people would have this same level of outrage?

As to your point about breast cancer, the NFL players use their status as famous celebrities as a platform to raise awareness for causes. No one cares that the breast cancer awareness month is supported by the NFL because we all believe breast cancer is bad and none of us can feasibly cause it for another person (unless you're chain smoking into someone's face). With this topic of inequality, people try to frame it as being an issue because it was done during the anthem, but there was going to be issues with it no matter when the players talked about it.
 
As to your point about breast cancer, the NFL players use their status as famous celebrities as a platform to raise awareness for causes. No one cares that the breast cancer awareness month is supported by the NFL because we all believe breast cancer is bad and none of us can feasibly cause it for another person (unless you're chain smoking into someone's face). With this topic of inequality, people try to frame it as being an issue because it was done during the anthem, but there was going to be issues with it no matter when the players talked about it.
Unless it was done in a way in which people could agree in-principle that "problems exist" but then forget about it.
 
Delanie Walker has forgotten who pays his paychecks, us the fans. He said they don't need us and if we want to stop watching then bye.

“And the fans that don’t want to come to the game? I mean, OK. Bye. I mean, if you feel that’s something, we’re disrespecting you, don’t come to the game. You don’t have to. No one’s telling you to come to the game. It’s your freedom of choice to do that.”

Fans just want to watch football without any political stuff involved. Fans get enough of it throughout the week and for a whole day Sunday, 3 hours Mondsy/Thurs the NFL is an escape from that.
 
I want to bring this up and hopefully it is seen and someone can honestly answer this question for me.

In life, kneeling is the pretty consensual sign of respect and submission.

If I kneel to the Queen of England, I show her respect. If I kneel to propose to my girlfriend, I am showing submission and my desire to serve her for the rest of her life. If I kneel to pray, I am showing submission and respect for God. If I kneel down against a foe, I am showing surrender and submission. In the NFL, taking a kneel is a sign of giving up a play.

Why when it is used to bring attention to racial inequality is it viewed as disrespectful? Be honest- if these players knelt to protest the high concession, ticket, and product (jerseys, hats, shirts) prices, you'd love it. But you don't care that they kneel- you care that it's a topic that makes you uncomfortable. As a white person, do you feel left out? Like, damn, they're protesting for blacks and they must protest for my equal treatment because all lives matter!

Really, I want to know. Kneeling has NEVER been viewed as disrespectful until this very moment.

If I had knelt before for the Anthem and said it showed a sign of respect for the country and I was showing that the country was greater than myself, no one would bat an eye and say I'm being disrespectful. In fact, I bet I could get people to join me.

Be honest- it's more about the cause that they're protesting than it is about the timing of the kneeling. They could have talked about this in post game interviews after every single game and you'd get upset that politics entered sports.
 
I think people get upset because the topic makes them uncomfortable. No one seriously wants to believe inequality and injustice exist, and in my opinion, especially not white people.

Any time injustice and inequality for other races gets brought up, it usually gets tied back to white people and they don't like that. They don't want to think that their ancestors owned slaves or participated in the oppression of blacks in the 50s and 60s and had a large hand in the inequality that exists today. But truly, black people will usually pull the race card (notable shooting happens, "Would this happen if the person was white?") and so the topic is terribly uncomfortable.

If they were kneeling to protest high food costs at the stadium to improve a better fan experience, do you think people would have this same level of outrage?

As to your point about breast cancer, the NFL players use their status as famous celebrities as a platform to raise awareness for causes. No one cares that the breast cancer awareness month is supported by the NFL because we all believe breast cancer is bad and none of us can feasibly cause it for another person (unless you're chain smoking into someone's face). With this topic of inequality, people try to frame it as being an issue because it was done during the anthem, but there was going to be issues with it no matter when the players talked about it.

Maybe I sound ignorant in saying this, but I've never heard of a comfortable protest. I fully agree with the second paragraph and to answer the question in the third paragraph, it's an emphatic hell to the no.

I understand the players' status when it comes to social issues or causes and I agree with the second and third line of the 4th paragraph. It's just funny to me when a player does something good in the community, fans applaud them, but when the players want to use their voice to talk about an issue that'll make it uncomfortable for some, then the fans would say "Stick it to sports."
 
Maybe I sound ignorant in saying this, but I've never heard of a comfortable protest. I fully agree with the second paragraph and to answer the question in the third paragraph, it's an emphatic hell to the no.

I understand the players' status when it comes to social issues or causes and I agree with the second and third line of the 4th paragraph. It's just funny to me when a player does something good in the community, fans applaud them, but when the players want to use their voice to talk about an issue that'll make it uncomfortable for some, then the fans would say "Stick it to sports."
It's really a double standard.

I truly believe that the issue isn't with kneeling (see my latest post), but rather that the players are protesting racial inequality. That's by far the biggest issue that I can see- the issue at hand. I think people getting upset at the kneeling is a way to deflect from the real cause and for people to not come out and say they don't believe in racial inequality.
 
It's really a double standard.

I truly believe that the issue isn't with kneeling (see my latest post), but rather that the players are protesting racial inequality. That's by far the biggest issue that I can see- the issue at hand. I think people getting upset at the kneeling is a way to deflect from the real cause and for people to not come out and say they don't believe in racial inequality.

No argument here. To this very day, I STILL see people on my news feed on Facebook outraged over this. And PLEASE don't get me started with the Ravens Facebook page.
 
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