The Raven
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Forgive a loaded question, but how do you reconcile that belief with a libertarian ideology that opposes mandated sick leave? Honestly just curious
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allblackraven
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You cannot use these examples in the context we've been discussing with straight face, can you?
no my point was that if you were to apply hate speech laws that we have in the uk - none of those would satisfy the criteria
which is what i find so crazy about the partisan nature of healthcare in the US
i only recently discovered that holiday and sick leave weren't really culturally normal in the US when around the world its accepted as an intrinsic part of being in a workforce
Oldfaithful
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Me as well. Trump is a pompous asshole
Inqui
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Outside all the concessions for show that the Chinese have made (and nearly all of them have been purely for show), there's also stuff like Ivanka mysteriously getting patents granted before big visits. This is why presidents (usually) put their holdings in a blind trust and why it's such an important issue. No-one has an issue with rich people being presidents, but having active interests while in office is murky at best. And that's before you get into the way companies' stock prices fluctuate with Trump's tweets.
i dont get how it's not unconstitutional...
Oldfaithful
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My family is full of 1%ers and we hate the tax bill. Big problem in this country is that each party is moving towards the extremes. This is just an example. I’m more to the right than left but that bill was facepalm worthy at best.
And yes this discussion is pointless because it can be argued for hours on end with little to no difference in outcome. I’m a believer that there is always a gray area. Which I’ll address later.
Problem is, we’re stuck with this for now. Trump’s incompetence for this job is as apparent as my “scouting ability”.
This is what happens when people don’t vote. Then we end up with two idiot candidates, no good choices, and are basically fucked. Can we hit the reset button with government officials?
Inqui
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As bad as things with the NHS over there are, it's a reminder that the healthcare clusterfuck could always be worse. What I never understood was people over here rooting for the Republicans' overhaul of the ACA - everyone in every other developed economy is living in a better system that's cheaper on everyone and has better outcomes and Trump himself has praised the single-payer system several times.
I'm just glad those disgusting zero-hour contracts haven't taken off over here.
at least the problems in the NHS are mostly down to government funding, pay etc rather than the fundamentals of the healthcare system
Somerset Ravens
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An employer offers a job with a specific compensation package. If you feel sick leave is important to you and the compensation package does not include sick leave, forget that job and find one that offers sick leave. There is no need to involve the government.
but no one can predict illnesses/injuries... you shouldnt be more expendable as an employee for something out of your control - and there would be no need to involve the government if it was already in law
Oldfaithful
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But yeah I’d have to agree here. Barring something ungodly trump isn’t going anywhere.
And fwiw, Net nuetrality being on the way out would piss me off to no end. I’d esentially have to erase my digital footprint at that point and use the internet solely for research and educational purposes. The government should do with the internet what it should do with most things... leave it the hell alone, only intervene when someone is about to hurt someone. I don’t need them regulating what I should and shouldn’t be able to see.
Trump controlling the internet would prove to be a hilarious second season in the reality tv show the country has become though. Yeah that’s a good way to describe it. Reality TV a show.
And yes I agree that the modern GOP is taking things too far right and are wasting a massive opportunity.
As much as I disagree with the fiscal moderate left.. it can work.
Hey democrats. Please run a moderate in 2020. I’ll vote for him/her. I’ll do it. Plz. I’m begging you. Or just dethrone Trump as President and run someone decent on the right not named Ted Cruz
Willbacker
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Lets see now. All the richest counties voted republican. Silicon Valley and all the media outlets voted republican. All those rich windbags in Hollywood they voted republican. Sure bud.
Democrats/ Extreme rich and poor people
Repubs/ Working class
Sorry Bill Clinton failed the working class. Ask the people in the rust belt states.
Now this shit about the teachers. My tax dollars aren't paying for the books, the computers, the #2 pencils and chalk, the roof over their heads, kitchen food, the desks and seats?
Again the rates for the extreme rich stays at 39.6%. The middle class ranges in between 12 and 15%. Don't you see the math. And you talk about deductions. How do you think the rich get away with shit? Deductions. The estate tax? Well I reread your link people over earning 11 mil still have to pay and I'm getting this from the bottom of your link so how the hell does that help Trump.
Theres other posts I'll get to later cuz I got to take my working class to work while the rich and welfare can sleep. Btw hope you had a Good Thanksgiving cuz its a day for thanks.
Somerset Ravens
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Taking a job with or without sick leave is a choice to be made by each individual. Nobody is forced to take a job without sick leave. As far as matters involving compensation, government should not be involved.but no one can predict illnesses/injuries... you shouldnt be more expendable as an employee for something out of your control - and there would be no need to involve the government if it was already in law
The Raven
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Again, as I said, sick leave should not be a bargaining chip. A lot of people can't just "find a job that offers sick leave." Are you serious? "Yeah, just find one that has sick leave. They're out there. Just look harder."
"Nobody is forced to take a job without sick leave." Sorry but that's just out of touch and wrong.
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The Raven
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"Moderate" is just a politically correct term for "let's do nothing and stay in the status quo."
If you run a moderate, their views are the extreme of their policy. It won't take much for the other side to water it down and make it worse. What the hell does a moderate stand for? Compromise? Compromise on what? Because we shouldn't be compromising on healthcare for all. We shouldn't be compromising on at least free community college. We shouldn't be compromising on getting big money out of politics. We shouldn't be compromising on net neutrality. Yet, one party is fighting on one side of those issues, and the other party is on the other side. I'll let you identify which is on which side.
A lot of people say they just want compromise, they just want middle ground. The two party system is broken, they say. They ask, "why can't some democrats work with Republicans?" or vice versa. Surely, they say, there's a third option in the middle that we could find if we just worked together. But that's a simplistic, Hallmark Channel bull shit way of thinking about politics. Indeed, there are two sides on most issues: moving forward or staying behind.
Where is the middle ground between universal healthcare and not having universal healthcare? Where is the middle ground on net neutrality? Where's the middle ground on truly affordable or tuition free higher ed? We're IN the middle ground now. What we have now is the middle ground. Moderation keeps us there. Moderation achieves nothing.
Moderates stand for nothing in today's political world. Take a stance or get lost. There's a reason moderates lose elections. They don't stand for anything and voters are smart enough to notice. Ever wonder why Obama beat Hillary in 08? Because he stood for something and she didn't. That's the difference between bold leadership and fall in line moderates. That's the difference between winners and losers.
What if FDR was a moderate? JFK? LBJ? What if they were moderates? What if Lincoln was a moderate? What about TR?
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I’m self employed, but my wife has always had atleast 5 days of sick leave at her jobs and sometimes 10 days. Howevever
Maryland employers must follow the federal Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA), which allows eligible employees to take unpaid leave, with the right to reinstatement, for certain reasons.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/maryland-family-medical-leave.html
Maryland employers must follow the federal Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA), which allows eligible employees to take unpaid leave, with the right to reinstatement, for certain reasons.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/maryland-family-medical-leave.html
I think it was her not being truthful about her background, but I don't think we should use an isolated incident that was caught on camera to prove he's not racist when he's been sued quite a bit by his minority workers.
K-Dog
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So we aren't using a job offer as a counter point to racism, but we can use minority law suites as a measure.
Have you ever watched mid day TV? Or late night TV?
Count the ad's for lawyers saying you can make money for sueing. You will be out of fingers and toes by the time the program is done. People will sue without merrit at the drop of a hat nowadays. In my opinion that is a barometer for nothing but greed.
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