End of the Bar Does Not Care, John Harbaugh

[gtalk12]

Nah, I don’t think so, dude is a workaholic. If anything I think some of the players got too comfortable listening to how great they were going to be this year and forgot about the work it takes to stay great. But ultimately it was John’s responsibility to set that straight, didn’t appear to happen until it was too late.

Based on the reaction from the owner, it clearly indicates he was too comfortable.

 

[Tank]

Based on the reaction from the owner, it clearly indicates he was too comfortable.

wut? lol Maybe you and I have a different definition of comfortable, don't know.

What I got from what has been shared is that he and Steve disagreed on the what should be the direction/composition of his staff, so he was fired.

 

[All_black_everything]

wut? lol Maybe you and I have a different definition of comfortable, don't know.

What I got from what has been shared is that he and Steve disagreed on the what should be the direction/composition of his staff, so he was fired.

It was also reported that Harbaugh went into that meeting expecting he was safe and Biscotti was not pleased with this. Sounds like he was too comfortable imo

 

[Tank]

It was also reported that Harbaugh went into that meeting expecting he was safe and Biscotti was not pleased with this. Sounds like he was too comfortable imo

Reported by who? Mike Preston? lol
Sounds like an opinion rather than a fact. And if if it were/is true sounds like confidence to me.

No matter, I'm sure there will be a lot of stuff floating around out there on social media. Fact is he was fired, and we need to hire a new coach.

 

[gtalk12]

Reported by who? Mike Preston? lol
Sounds like an opinion rather than a fact. And if if it were/is true sounds like confidence to me.

No matter, I'm sure there will be a lot of stuff floating around out there on social media. Fact is he was fired, and we need to hire a new coach.

It wasn't social media and it was our very own trusted source that has not been wrong.

 

[redrum52]

Based on the reaction from the owner, it clearly indicates he was too comfortable.

What's hilarious to me about this whole situation is almost all season we've heard about the Steelers moving on from Tomlin if they don't succeed. Harbaugh falls short in essentially the same scenario and they act like we've made some massive mistake when it seems like he was about to continue making the same arrogant moves in regards to staff and personnel.

 

[All_black_everything]

Anyone think this is true? I can’t see him asking for total roster control but maybe?

 

[Simba]

It wasn't social media and it was our very own trusted source that has not been wrong.

And our local guys are saying it without saying it by indicating that he was operating all morning as if he and the staff he had were preparing for the offseason

 

[All_black_everything]

Reported by who? Mike Preston? lol
Sounds like an opinion rather than a fact. And if if it were/is true sounds like confidence to me.

No matter, I'm sure there will be a lot of stuff floating around out there on social media. Fact is he was fired, and we need to hire a new coach.

It wasn't social media and it was our very own trusted source that has not been wrong.

I don’t recall who said it but I thought it seemed legit. So not Preston lol was it Simba? @gtalk12 is that what you’re saying?

 

[All_black_everything]

And our local guys are saying it without saying it by indicating that he was operating all morning as if he and the staff he had were preparing for the offseason

@Tank there you go. Whether you perceive it as confidence is also an opinion. Sounds like he was wrong to be confident his job was safe with minimal changes going into next season.

 

[redrum52]

Anyone think this is true? I can’t see him asking for total roster control but maybe?

He trotted out Loop with no competition and seemed adamant about keeping Faalele starting.

Yes I can see it being true. Many times we've seen questionable decisions made about who's starting over who.

 

[All_black_everything]

He trotted out Loop with no competition and seemed adamant about keeping Faalele starting.

Yes I can see it being true. Many times we've seen questionable decisions made about who's starting over who.

Lmao. True, and refused to play Cleveland despite him being on the roster 5 years.

I feel bad for whoever grants those demands. Gonna have Jackie Harbaugh's favorite player from each draft on the roster lol

 

[Tank]

And our local guys are saying it without saying it by indicating that he was operating all morning as if he and the staff he had were preparing for the offseason

I mean that makes sense, right? Why wouldn't he and the staff be doing that. Am I missing something? He was still under contract. Should they have assumed they were getting canned?

 

[Grim]

I mean that makes sense, right? Why wouldn't he and the staff be doing that. Am I missing something?

To an extent, yes, but I think there’s some nuance.

So putting this in business terms, you have a history of success and good performance and have a down year. In a microcosm you of course have confidence in yourself and your job. And of course you don’t want to be afraid of losing the job but with how things went this year, I think it’s reasonable to be nervous for your job.

Harbaugh and the Ravens significantly underperformed. In business if you think you can underperform so much and somehow run it back with the same staff, that’s delusional and likely should make you nervous for your job.

It all goes back to people saying how out of touch Harbaugh was and him thinking he was safe and making changes reflects that

 

[JoeyFlex5]

To an extent, yes, but I think there’s some nuance.

So putting this in business terms, you have a history of success and good performance and have a down year. In a microcosm you of course have confidence in yourself and your job. And of course you don’t want to be afraid of losing the job but with how things went this year, I think it’s reasonable to be nervous for your job.

Harbaugh and the Ravens significantly underperformed. In business if you think you can underperform so much and somehow run it back with the same staff, that’s delusional and likely should make you nervous for your job.

It all goes back to people saying how out of touch Harbaugh was and him thinking he was safe and making changes reflects that

Out of touch is the perfect description of harbaugh since Mike Mac walked out the door

 

[Tank]

To an extent, yes, but I think there’s some nuance.

So putting this in business terms, you have a history of success and good performance and have a down year. In a microcosm you of course have confidence in yourself and your job. And of course you don’t want to be afraid of losing the job but with how things went this year, I think it’s reasonable to be nervous for your job.

Harbaugh and the Ravens significantly underperformed. In business if you think you can underperform so much and somehow run it back with the same staff, that’s delusional and likely should make you nervous for your job.

It all goes back to people saying how out of touch Harbaugh was and him thinking he was safe and making changes reflects that

Yeah, but these 2 guys have been tied at the hip for almost 20 years. I can see that they disagreed on the direction the team/staff should go and Harbaugh stuck to his guns and was fired. Steve firing him because he didn't show fear of losing his job just makes no sense to me given the long and close relationship they have.

I said it right after it happened....John certainly knew the stance he was taking would likely cost him his job, I doubt he was surprised it happened.

 

[Grim]

Yeah, but these 2 guys have been tied at the hip for almost 20 years. I can see that they disagreed on the direction the team/staff should go and Harbaugh stuck to his guns and was fired. Steve firing him because he didn't show fear of losing his job just makes no sense to me given the long and close relationship they have.

I said it right after it happened....John certainly knew the stance he was taking would likely cost him his job, I doubt he was surprised it happened.

It sure doesn’t sound like there’s any bad blood between them.

I think it just shows how out of touch John was.

If I’m Steve and I go to meet with my HC about how my team underperformed this year and he tells me his plan is to run it back with the same staff, is adamant about that, and comes in confident I can see how it could be seen as arrogant and out of touch.

I think John was surprised by the firing. He probably thought it could happen, but based on the comments I’ve seen, it seems like he didn’t expect to be fired. The comments I am referring to are his own comments.

 

[gtalk12]

Yeah, but these 2 guys have been tied at the hip for almost 20 years. I can see that they disagreed on the direction the team/staff should go and Harbaugh stuck to his guns and was fired. Steve firing him because he didn't show fear of losing his job just makes no sense to me given the long and close relationship they have.

I said it right after it happened....John certainly knew the stance he was taking would likely cost him his job, I doubt he was surprised it happened.

His response tells me he was surprised. Same goes for the information we received from the front office.

 

[Simba]

I mean that makes sense, right? Why wouldn't he and the staff be doing that. Am I missing something? He was still under contract. Should they have assumed they were getting canned?

I mean, he knew he was going into that meeting to talk about the future of the organization and he felt comfortable enough in his job that he was going to offer to make minimal to no changes...

If he couldn't read the room and the possibility that his job was on the line, that's on him.

 

[Simba]

Yeah, but these 2 guys have been tied at the hip for almost 20 years. I can see that they disagreed on the direction the team/staff should go and Harbaugh stuck to his guns and was fired. Steve firing him because he didn't show fear of losing his job just makes no sense to me given the long and close relationship they have.

I said it right after it happened....John certainly knew the stance he was taking would likely cost him his job, I doubt he was surprised it happened.

This is false