The Good, The Bad and The Ugly - Jags edition

[RavensMania]

Throw should have been made.

yes it should have and didn't see this one. I was referring to the one that Lamar hit Marc on a perfect over the shoulder pass that Mark flat out dropped.

 

[drjohnnyfever]

I somewhat agree, but depends on the player.

Like if the player consistently dropping passes or suffering breakdowns in coverage isn't a Lamar Jackson-level player, then they'll replace the player first. Like if the decision is between cutting (or in this case, not re-signing) Peters or moving on from MacDonald, they'll choose to keep MacDonald in a heartbeat, as well they should. There's only a handful of players on any team that the team is actually married to, and pretty much only the QB or some super rare all-time great, like a Ray Lewis, is going to win a power struggle with a coach. Everybody else, largely, is replaceable, and most franchises will look to make personnel changes much quicker than coaching one's.

As for coaches/FO, in many organizations, they're largely tied to each other. Its not a certainty, but in many cases, they're linked. Meaning when the HC goes, the GM usually is either gone too or soon to be gone. Firing assistant coaches or even coordinators can often be considered the "easy choice", though there also aren't a large number of examples of those firings turning into great things long term. They're mostly just scapegoating certain positional group coaches or play callers for larger issues within the organization.

I totally disagree with the last paragraph. In some cases that'll work, but in the NFL in particular, I think history would tell you that a TON of franchises go through a TON of GMs, HC's, coordinators, etc. over time, and none of the new guys make a material impact on the organization's ability to win games, transform culture, etc. I'm sympathetic towards a change being needed in some cases, but there's a reason why there's such a huge amount of turnover among HC, GM, etc. on an annual basis, and wise there's just such a huge quantity of organizations that perpetually fail over and over and over again.

They were all just options and I think we mostly agree. I think the last one is the worst one too. I think it's also pretty easy to tell if a player is just not cutting it and in that case you find another option with a new player or two. But if it is a whole unit with errors and on both sides of the ball, coaches are to blame, imo.

 

[rmcjacket23]

They were all just options and I think we mostly agree. I think the last one is the worst one too. I think it's also pretty easy to tell if a player is just not cutting it and in that case you find another option with a new player or two. But if it is a whole unit with errors and on both sides of the ball, coaches are to blame, imo.

Well but its not a whole unit with errors on both sides of the ball. Plenty of individual players played really well on Sunday. Just like most weeks. Most weeks there will be individuals with great games and there will be individuals with bad games.

Regardless, if coaching is always the problem for total team failures, then somebody will have to reconcile for me how many organizations go through literally like dozens of coaches over and over again and get the same bad results.

Its like blaming coaching for fumbling issues. No, genius, its not a coaching issue. No coach on the planet teaches their players how to fumble or how to hold the ball incorrectly. They're teaching correct techniques for that at pee-wee practice right now to a bunch of 9 year olds.

It's called being sloppy. You see it everyday in your own jobs. Football ain't different. You don't produce the same output day in and day out. Neither do your co-workers, or your managers.

 

[gtalk12]

Same old same old critique on Roman passing concept , but maybe it’s to clear space for a Lamar scramble

This pains me man

 

[Davesta]

 

[QtR Nevermore]

Same old same old critique on Roman passing concept , but maybe it’s to clear space for a Lamar scramble

That's letting Roman off the hook because so may passing plays look like this, just lacking basic fundamentals.

A scramble shouldn't be the plan on 3rd & 10 anyway.

If we had a real passing game, drawing defenders eyes away from Lamar we'd start to see natural scramble lanes develop, the kind of thing that Allen etc gets and Lamar would start scrambling for huge gains again.

 

[cobrajet]

That is frustrating to see brother, but thanks for posting it, as it confirms what I thought.

 

[Davesta]

That is frustrating to see brother, but thanks for posting it, as it confirms what I thought.

The frustrating thing is this problem was always with Greg Roman. It’s not new. It was an issue with him at the niners and bills. Harbs should know this, yet he keeps giving us the “we’re working on it” speech. Greg been trying to “work on it” for 10 years. He ain’t gonna change man.

So was Greg Roman's offense part of the problem?

Greg Roman, The Buffalo Bills, and the San Francisco 49ers' past offensive woes

www.ninersnation.com

 

[ravenslord]

yes it should have and didn't see this one. I was referring to the one that Lamar hit Marc on a perfect over the shoulder pass that Mark flat out dropped.

Yeah I'm still mad over this game. We should have blown this team out.

 

[RavensMania]

Yeah I'm still mad over this game. We should have blown this team out.

I get mad during and right after the game. I'm past the point in life of being pissed off for too long. I scream at the set for a little bit, my dogs run upstairs and then it's over. Rinse, repeat.

 

[UPennChem]

LOOOOOL Desean Jackson has the fastest recorded speed of any Raven this year. Dude is 35, was on the couch and just hurt his hammy.

 

[allblackraven]

LOOOOOL Desean Jackson has the fastest recorded speed of any Raven this year. Dude is 35, was on the couch and just hurt his hammy.

A bit embarrassing.

 

[drjohnnyfever]

The frustrating thing is this problem was always with Greg Roman. It’s not new. It was an issue with him at the niners and bills. Harbs should know this, yet he keeps giving us the “we’re working on it” speech. Greg been trying to “work on it” for 10 years. He ain’t gonna change man.

So was Greg Roman's offense part of the problem?

Greg Roman, The Buffalo Bills, and the San Francisco 49ers' past offensive woes

www.ninersnation.com

What's frustrating is that it's a "track record" thing and it seems like its endorsed blindly. I wouldn't have as much problem with it if our TOP was the same as 2019 and we were sealing drives with TD's instead of FG's, giving turnovers, or loss of down and possession. In theory, calling for the ball at the last sec or two contributes to TOP which is good when scoring TD's, but if you're not and you have issues on closing games out on DEF, you're hurting yourself by default in your scheme by taking away time to comeback when shit hits the fan.

 

[RaineV1]

Potential hot take, but I really think there are quite a few OCs that could make a decent passing game out of Lamar Jackson throwing to DeMarcus Robinson, Duv, Andrews, Likely, and solid receiving backs. At least they would find ways to get the ball to Duv in space rather than just saying they gotta use him more before every game.

 

[Davesta]

This whole thread is sad to see

 

[ravenslord]

There's a lot of truth to this:

 

[OURavensFan]

There's a lot of truth to this:

Yea, and even with that terrible catch call, they probably would have still scored

 

[rossihunter2]

This whole thread is sad to see

that 2nd one is clearly on duvernay lol - that's awful man - lamar literally throws the post and duvernay runs a corner for no reason

 

[rmcjacket23]

that 2nd one is clearly on duvernay lol - that's awful man - lamar literally throws the post and duvernay runs a corner for no reason

I saw the 2nd one yesterday on film and meant to post it. It's the perfect example of what happens when you watch the All-22 (and why I like to sit so high up in the stadium) vs what you see on TV. By the time you see this play on TV, it looks like Duvernay is "open" and Lamar just misses him. In reality, Duvernay just completely fucks up this play.

And, again, these are the types of plays where you can't blame coaching. Play call is done well, its blocked well, its open, and the QB does his job. Just not executed fully by all players. Even more mind-blowing to me is that, while I doubt he has the ability to freelance, the corner route makes him significantly "less open". If this was a corner route, and Lamar throws it as a corner route, it's got a 0% chance of completion, and a decent chance of an INT.

 

[rossihunter2]

I saw the 2nd one yesterday on film and meant to post it. It's the perfect example of what happens when you watch the All-22 (and why I like to sit so high up in the stadium) vs what you see on TV. By the time you see this play on TV, it looks like Duvernay is "open" and Lamar just misses him. In reality, Duvernay just completely fucks up this play.

And, again, these are the types of plays where you can't blame coaching. Play call is done well, its blocked well, its open, and the QB does his job. Just not executed fully by all players. Even more mind-blowing to me is that, while I doubt he has the ability to freelance, the corner route makes him significantly "less open". If this was a corner route, and Lamar throws it as a corner route, it's got a 0% chance of completion, and a decent chance of an INT.

1 receiver fucks up the play, everyone criticises the QB for "missing" and the playcaller for all sorts of other things...

certain people here hate it when i say that Roman isn't really a problem and that most of our issues are almost entirely related to poor execution - but case in point

everyone's pointing out the play Orlovsky put out on twitter but even Orlovsky says that it's possible that 1 of 2 players may have got the play wrong and ruined the entire concept... something that most people seem to be ignoring