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Lamar Jackson

Regarding off season moves, I understand it's a numbers game and that the cap is tight, but it is very frustrating that the cap expenses seemingly hurt the offense the most. We always have cap space to spend premium money on players like Marcus Williams, Marlon Humphrey, Nnamdi Madubuike, Roquan Smith and draft players consistently highly with our draft picks.

And I'm not even necessarily disagreeing with the allocation of draft resources such as players like Wiggins (who I love) because it's smart to stay a step ahead. Looking at next year, there's a real possibility that Marlon and Stephens aren't here, so the Ravens have a replacement in the wings. That's smart.

But they aren't consistently doing that for the offense or even really making decisions that make sense. The contingency plan for Zeitler, Moses, and Simpson was apparently a seventh round guard who had ZERO practice/snaps a year prior, a career swing player, and a converted fourth round tackle who doesn't really fit what the Ravens want in their offensive lineman. And next year, Stanley may not be here, so the Ravens are going to have to figure that one out. If you figure Rosengarten is the logical next man up, that's great and makes sense, but still leaves a void at RT. So, the Ravens almost assuredly have two spots to fill and might potentially want to upgrade another.

I'm incredibly miffed that the Ravens re-signed Bateman to be the starter when he's shown no reason he should be the starter. But hey, at least the Ravens signed a 30 year old, non-schematic fit at running back when they were letting THREE starters walk on the offensive line. Because that's smart. Not like guys like Gus Edwards thrived here with a good offensive line because of Lamar. And I say that as someone who likes Derrick Henry, but I didn't love the signing.

It's just frustrating that defensively, the Ravens can seem fairly flush with cap space consistently and allocate so much in the way of resources, but can't do the same for Lamar to make his life easier.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Regarding off season moves, I understand it's a numbers game and that the cap is tight, but it is very frustrating that the cap expenses seemingly hurt the offense the most. We always have cap space to spend premium money on players like Marcus Williams, Marlon Humphrey, Nnamdi Madubuike, Roquan Smith and draft players consistently highly with our draft picks.

And I'm not even necessarily disagreeing with the allocation of draft resources such as players like Wiggins (who I love) because it's smart to stay a step ahead. Looking at next year, there's a real possibility that Marlon and Stephens aren't here, so the Ravens have a replacement in the wings. That's smart.

But they aren't consistently doing that for the offense or even really making decisions that make sense. The contingency plan for Zeitler, Moses, and Simpson was apparently a seventh round guard who had ZERO practice/snaps a year prior, a career swing player, and a converted fourth round tackle who doesn't really fit what the Ravens want in their offensive lineman. And next year, Stanley may not be here, so the Ravens are going to have to figure that one out. If you figure Rosengarten is the logical next man up, that's great and makes sense, but still leaves a void at RT. So, the Ravens almost assuredly have two spots to fill and might potentially want to upgrade another.

I'm incredibly miffed that the Ravens re-signed Bateman to be the starter when he's shown no reason he should be the starter. But hey, at least the Ravens signed a 30 year old, non-schematic fit at running back when they were letting THREE starters walk on the offensive line. Because that's smart. Not like guys like Gus Edwards thrived here with a good offensive line because of Lamar. And I say that as someone who likes Derrick Henry, but I didn't love the signing.

It's just frustrating that defensively, the Ravens can seem fairly flush with cap space consistently and allocate so much in the way of resources, but can't do the same for Lamar to make his life easier.
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if we had superstars on offence to pay, they'd pay them
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Regarding off season moves, I understand it's a numbers game and that the cap is tight, but it is very frustrating that the cap expenses seemingly hurt the offense the most. We always have cap space to spend premium money on players like Marcus Williams, Marlon Humphrey, Nnamdi Madubuike, Roquan Smith and draft players consistently highly with our draft picks.

And I'm not even necessarily disagreeing with the allocation of draft resources such as players like Wiggins (who I love) because it's smart to stay a step ahead. Looking at next year, there's a real possibility that Marlon and Stephens aren't here, so the Ravens have a replacement in the wings. That's smart.

But they aren't consistently doing that for the offense or even really making decisions that make sense. The contingency plan for Zeitler, Moses, and Simpson was apparently a seventh round guard who had ZERO practice/snaps a year prior, a career swing player, and a converted fourth round tackle who doesn't really fit what the Ravens want in their offensive lineman. And next year, Stanley may not be here, so the Ravens are going to have to figure that one out. If you figure Rosengarten is the logical next man up, that's great and makes sense, but still leaves a void at RT. So, the Ravens almost assuredly have two spots to fill and might potentially want to upgrade another.

I'm incredibly miffed that the Ravens re-signed Bateman to be the starter when he's shown no reason he should be the starter. But hey, at least the Ravens signed a 30 year old, non-schematic fit at running back when they were letting THREE starters walk on the offensive line. Because that's smart. Not like guys like Gus Edwards thrived here with a good offensive line because of Lamar. And I say that as someone who likes Derrick Henry, but I didn't love the signing.

It's just frustrating that defensively, the Ravens can seem fairly flush with cap space consistently and allocate so much in the way of resources, but can't do the same for Lamar to make his life easier.
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All great points here.

I'm really dumbfounded with how they built the offensive line. Zeitler and Moses were solid starters and they let them walk to replace them with a an undersized RT(Mekari) who never proved to be a starter, a rookie, and a 7th round pick who LITERALLY DID NOT PLAY HIS ROOKIE YEAR?! Faalele and Mekari have been awful, especially Mekari who cannot hold his own 1v1 out there. I see no reason for him to continuously rotate, just have Rosengarten be the full time RT and call it a day. I don't know what they were going with in regards to the offensive line but it has not worked out. I really don't understand letting both Zeitler and Moses walk. It's not like they broke the bank, and last years OL was the strength of the team...now we're looking at a severily downgraded OL.

In terms of Bateman, I don't understand why the team continues to cling on to him. Dude just aint it, and I do not believe he would do that much better elsewhere. Hopefully he proves me wrong, but I don't think he's physical enough to be an X WR. I seriously envy how Philly built around Hurts in his rookie contract and I feel like he failed with how cheap Lamar's rookie contract was. Completely wasted that opportunity.

Also, with all they've devoted to the defense, its a damn shame that they decide to go out sad like this when it matters most.
 
UPennChem said:
I just focused on the biggest issue and how obvious it was and how easy it was to not let that happen.

I've been very clear in the past I think his entire zag when everyone else zigs strategy is stupid. He fundamentally doesn't conform to the tried and true strategy of late of

Top QB
WR1
Strong OL
Elite pass rush
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Isn't he doing that though? If we just look at your top 4 that is basically what the Ravens draft. Lamar was a 1. Bateman and Floewrs were 1s. 2/5 of the OL are 1s and the RT was a 2. Meanwhile for pass rush Oweh was a 1 and Ojabo was a 2.

Sometimes you have players like Hamilton who strangely fall and you have to take them but in general the Ravens draft basically reflects those priorities. The idea that Aghalor is replaceable easily though, at his dollar value, is something I question. WR is not a cheap position especially, and I hate to say, when it comes to convincing players to come to the Ravens. The Ravens team have a reputation of being run first so if there is a young WR looking to revitalize his career on a cheap 1 year deal he is not going to pick the Ravens to do that.
 
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TheCity55 said:
Once again, Lamar is asked to do more with less....
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This narrative needs to go away because it’s not true anymore. Lamar has being doing alot with a lot of talent around him. You can’t have it all when your paying a premium for the QB position. All teams deal with that reality but you can’t sit here and honestly say he’s doing more with less when you’ve got guys like Henry, Andrews, Zay, and Likely. Many teams wish they could roll out that support cast.
 
rossihunter2 said:
i mean Bate had one bad play yesterday but otherwise looked good

i guess my question is... how are you guys fixing this roster construction - if you're swapping henry for zeitler... you still have the same receiving group and now you have justice hill and no one else at RB...

who are you picking instead of nate wiggins in the 1st round that fixes any problems?

we giving up on RR for who? and then how are we solving RT?

which WR on the market do we sign instead of Nelly for that price?

do we not re-sign Madubuike?
do we not bring back KVN?
do we not bring back Maulet?

EDC doesnt pick the team that plays, that's all on Harbs - EDC's not making Harbs play Faalele at RG, he's not making Harbs play Mekari at RT... in fact, you could argue that his offseason choices would suggest that he thought that the right side would be Cleveland at RG with Faalele/Mekari as the incumbent at RT with RR hopefully winning that job

we're in a fallow year in terms of financial resources... was always gonna be a year of hard choices and taking our medicine
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Asking for a friend but when can we cut Marlon?
 
BoredMarine13 said:
This narrative needs to go away because it’s not true anymore. Lamar has being doing alot with a lot of talent around him. You can’t have it all when your paying a premium for the QB position. All teams deal with that reality but you can’t sit here and honestly say he’s doing more with less when you’ve got guys like Henry, Andrews, Zay, and Likely. Many teams wish they could roll out that support cast.
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In Deleware at the beach, was going for a walk and came across this. lol
 

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In Delaware stalking Flacco*
 
On the topic of supporting cast-

Teams can definitely do it. The Eagles have paid Saquan, AJ Brown, and Devonte Smith around Jaylen Hurts.

The Dolphins traded for Hill and aggressively drafted Waddle.

The 49ers are probably going to lose Deebo and look to pay Purdy, but they'll still have Kittlen McCaffrey, Aiyuk, Jennings, and Pearsall.

The Lions have an absurdly loaded offensive line, Amon Ra St Brown, and aggressively drafted Gibbs after signing Montgomery.

When Brady signed with TB, they were an embarrassingly loaded offense... and then brought in guys like AB and Gronk on top.

I understand it's an allocation of resources and you have to pick and choose, but the Ravens, when choosing, seem to prioritize the defense more heavily. And it goes past signing their current stars, like Madubuike or Humphrey, but aggressively acquiring Roquan Smith and subsequently signing him to a mega contract, aggressively pursuing Marcus Williams. We don't tend to see that happen for offensive players.

When looking at the Ravens offensive supporting cast as a whole, they're definitely bottom half of the league. The highlight of the Ravens offensive supporting cast is Mark Andrews and he's being tasked with being a blocker fairly frequently because the offensive line is so bad.

Very few teams would happily take what the Ravens have now.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
On the topic of supporting cast-

Teams can definitely do it. The Eagles have paid Saquan, AJ Brown, and Devonte Smith around Jaylen Hurts.

The Dolphins traded for Hill and aggressively drafted Waddle.

The 49ers are probably going to lose Deebo and look to pay Purdy, but they'll still have Kittlen McCaffrey, Aiyuk, Jennings, and Pearsall.

The Lions have an absurdly loaded offensive line, Amon Ra St Brown, and aggressively drafted Gibbs after signing Montgomery.

When Brady signed with TB, they were an embarrassingly loaded offense... and then brought in guys like AB and Gronk on top.

I understand it's an allocation of resources and you have to pick and choose, but the Ravens, when choosing, seem to prioritize the defense more heavily. And it goes past signing their current stars, like Madubuike or Humphrey, but aggressively acquiring Roquan Smith and subsequently signing him to a mega contract, aggressively pursuing Marcus Williams. We don't tend to see that happen for offensive players.

When looking at the Ravens offensive supporting cast as a whole, they're definitely bottom half of the league. The highlight of the Ravens offensive supporting cast is Mark Andrews and he's being tasked with being a blocker fairly frequently because the offensive line is so bad.

Very few teams would happily take what the Ravens have now.
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I’m so sick of drafting mid round WRs that sometimes can’t even amount to special teams gunner. Will Tez even play? I get that it will be a phase in but damn, not looking great
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
On the topic of supporting cast-

Teams can definitely do it. The Eagles have paid Saquan, AJ Brown, and Devonte Smith around Jaylen Hurts.

The Dolphins traded for Hill and aggressively drafted Waddle.

The 49ers are probably going to lose Deebo and look to pay Purdy, but they'll still have Kittlen McCaffrey, Aiyuk, Jennings, and Pearsall.

The Lions have an absurdly loaded offensive line, Amon Ra St Brown, and aggressively drafted Gibbs after signing Montgomery.

When Brady signed with TB, they were an embarrassingly loaded offense... and then brought in guys like AB and Gronk on top.

I understand it's an allocation of resources and you have to pick and choose, but the Ravens, when choosing, seem to prioritize the defense more heavily. And it goes past signing their current stars, like Madubuike or Humphrey, but aggressively acquiring Roquan Smith and subsequently signing him to a mega contract, aggressively pursuing Marcus Williams. We don't tend to see that happen for offensive players.

When looking at the Ravens offensive supporting cast as a whole, they're definitely bottom half of the league. The highlight of the Ravens offensive supporting cast is Mark Andrews and he's being tasked with being a blocker fairly frequently because the offensive line is so bad.

Very few teams would happily take what the Ravens have now.
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I think it’s a combo of multiple things - very few offensive hits drafting outside of the 1st round, being consistently good and not getting a shot at high draft picks, and a lack of willingness to give up high picks to get premium talent.
 
Sooky said:
Agholor should be ahead of Bateman at this time. it feels forced that they are trying to make that 1st round draft pick work. Agholor has looked better in many situations and wish he had an opportunity for more targets like he had last year.
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Bateman would have at least attempted to high point the ball on the streak. Agholar isn’t changing games either
 
OURavensFan said:
Bateman would have at least attempted to high point the ball on the streak. Agholar isn’t changing games either
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No but at least Lamar seems to be on the same page as Agholor. Idk what Bateman is doing but he's the only WR who can't get on the same page with Lamar. Most off-target throws, even the week 1 miss we thought was to Flowers, come to find out Bateman doesn't do what Lamar wants him to. And it's literally only him.
 
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