Welcome to the Ravens, Hayden Hurst and Lamar Jackson

[redrum52]

Then the narrative would be Flacco is bad, but every weapon Flacco ever had looked worse after separated from him. Remember, how bad Torrie looked without Flacco and Torrie is unquestionably the 3rd best offensive weapon Flacco ever had. People thought SSS was done which is why he got cut suddenly he looks 5 years younger, that cannot be a coincidence.

Same Torrey that just won a SB and was a decent contributor? Steve wasn't done and most didn't think that. The belief was it was a locker room decision and I don't think they wanted to pay SSS. Of all the people that have left and didn't do shit you pick Torrey? I wouldn't say he's 3rd unless we're talking drafted weapons.

 

[allblackraven]

Ravens fans are champions in finding excuses for players and coaches. We are bad.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

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fuckkkk

 

[JoeyFlex5]

jackson really delivers screens well and consistently. he seems to understand how to help his targets catch in stride, the amount of touch, placement, timing, ease of the catch, all of it seems to be consistently strong.

has anyone broken down the defensive alignments hes faced and how hes done against different schemes? id really like to see how he holds up vs zone, especially cover 2 where his threat to run can essentially be spied by 4 defenders, cover 2 he really has to win with his arm, anyone know if hes shown the ability to pick apart a cover 2?

 

[RayRayRaven]

The comprehensuv plan does not include lamar Jackson, john harball, ozze nor decost. Unfortunately for another year or two its gonna include Joejoe. It could have included Sam Darnold, but that's water under the bridge now.

Italian raven, no idea what all those attachments are trying to indicate.

I also have no idea what trolling is. At the other site when one was calling our decision makers numbskulls one would get accused of trolling to stifle the criticism. To stop the dissent. Here, I want to be first on the board and loudest calling this Jackson nonsense a fiasco. Don't want there to be any doubt when the NFL evidence rolls in. Personally, I don't believe you will ever see this guy start in a Raven's uniform and that's my primary prediction. Was it worth two valuable #2 draft picks and a #4 to acquire your dedicated back up QB?.......NOT

Yeah, I'm the guy that hates Humpf too. But he did work his way into the lineup due to injury last year. He probably starts this year. Not much reason to watch this coming year other than to see Humpf show his true stuff.

@RayRayRaven why are you so shitty? The comprehensuv plan iz in moshun

Lmao Louisville offense is not read option. Lamar went through to his second read the second most in the draft. I feel like you’re just trolling everyone on the board hahaha

. Ok man you continue on in your world. Our Franchise is not perfect but 2 Superbowls in 21 years is more than most Franchise's could dream of.

We still have some big questions to answer roster-wise heading into the new season but on the other hand when you look at the current list of players there could be some tough choices to get us down to our 53.

I´m not advocating for Lamar to start soon. I hope he´s given enough time to learn and improve. But in case our Offense is as Red-Zone inefficient as we´ve been in the last couple of years I wish he´s given a chance to run some strong formation schemes.
Because we all know what he´s capable of doing and know his limitations (wide proof of narrow base, bad toes direction and weight transitioning that definitely end up in inaccurate med-long distance throws). What is important to understand is that he brings a totally new package of possibilities when it comes to either zone or man defensive schemes.. and it´s a lot harder to plan and defend when a team has one more weapon in the backfield.

This is just an example, but Lou has run this exact play many times and against different personnel
TE is pulling to the left taking the RE, LT is reaching the second level to block the only LB sitting in that zone.
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FB gets the S. RB draws the other 2 LBs into the middle, while Lamar walks onto an easy TD

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There´s a ton of 2TE formations that we can just as successfully run with Maxx/Hayden and Boyle pulling. I hate Andrews as a blocker, even on the move. He makes no sense in our case. I´ll watch some more in the next weeks to get a better idea on the player tho.

This is one other red zone play that we played a lot under Kubiak with Flacco on the Bootleg while the FB goes in the Flat and the TE on the Corner route.

LG pulls to the right, and the other 2 as "shown"

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The difference between Lamar and any conventional QB is that in this position, everyone would just throw to #18. The young QB gives you so much versatility that if the LB on the left was playing bail technique following the receiver, he could´ve run straight ahead and probably score as well

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Sure there´s a lot to work on but that skillset will give every DC some serious headache.. and for once our O will be exciting to watch

 

[Edgar]

Having great fun watching Jackson.
I'm noticing how utterly calm this guy is in the pocket. No matter the bodies around him you can see how patient and calm he is making reads and going through progressions.

 

[jboy19]

The comprehensuv plan does not include lamar Jackson, john harball, ozze nor decost. Unfortunately for another year or two its gonna include Joejoe. It could have included Sam Darnold, but that's water under the bridge now.

Italian raven, no idea what all those attachments are trying to indicate.

I also have no idea what trolling is. At the other site when one was calling our decision makers numbskulls one would get accused of trolling to stifle the criticism. To stop the dissent. Here, I want to be first on the board and loudest calling this Jackson nonsense a fiasco. Don't want there to be any doubt when the NFL evidence rolls in. Personally, I don't believe you will ever see this guy start in a Raven's uniform and that's my primary prediction. Was it worth two valuable #2 draft picks and a #4 to acquire your dedicated back up QB?.......NOT

Yeah, I'm the guy that hates Humpf too. But he did work his way into the lineup due to injury last year. He probably starts this year. Not much reason to watch this coming year other than to see Humpf show his true stuff.

You intend to watch the Ravens this year primarily to determine whether or not a cornerback has a sophomore slump?

 

[JoeyFlex5]

The comprehensuv plan does not include lamar Jackson, john harball, ozze nor decost. Unfortunately for another year or two its gonna include Joejoe. It could have included Sam Darnold, but that's water under the bridge now.

Italian raven, no idea what all those attachments are trying to indicate.

I also have no idea what trolling is. At the other site when one was calling our decision makers numbskulls one would get accused of trolling to stifle the criticism. To stop the dissent. Here, I want to be first on the board and loudest calling this Jackson nonsense a fiasco. Don't want there to be any doubt when the NFL evidence rolls in. Personally, I don't believe you will ever see this guy start in a Raven's uniform and that's my primary prediction. Was it worth two valuable #2 draft picks and a #4 to acquire your dedicated back up QB?.......NOT

Yeah, I'm the guy that hates Humpf too. But he did work his way into the lineup due to injury last year. He probably starts this year. Not much reason to watch this coming year other than to see Humpf show his true stuff.

there is obviously a bigger chance than we'd like to admit that jackson is a bust, he has to develop, he has to fix his footwork, he has to gain consistency in his mechanics and motions, he has to learn to avoid hits, he has to be able to win with his arm when teams force him to, we dont know if he can do this at the next level, some of these things we dont even have concrete evidence to convince us he can/will develop, BUT it is worth the risk. we have plummeted, the flacco era is 2 years max from ending, we have become the most boring team in the league, never getting star talent in FA because of cap, never making the playoffs, never getting high in the draft, just constantly middling on mediocrity, lamar jackson is a potential franchise qb, an electric player who brings excitement and something weve never seen before, and we were able to get him for a 32nd overall and a future 2nd, giving us a chance to build a brand new exciting identity and possibly doing so without even having a trainwreck of a rebuild mode.

if that chance presents itself, you goddamn take it. no 2nd rounder this year or next coulve made a bigger potential impact. no player in this 2nd or next years was gonna get us a SB before flaccos tenure ends, might as well take that jump while you have it, take one pick to give yourself an exciting future and the rest of your picks are to help now AND for that next era qb. even if lamar busts, the plan was brilliant, 100% worth the risk.

 

[Cville-Raven]

there is obviously a bigger chance than we'd like to admit that jackson is a bust, he has to develop, he has to fix his footwork, he has to gain consistency in his mechanics and motions, he has to learn to avoid hits, he has to be able to win with his arm when teams force him to, we dont know if he can do this at the next level, some of these things we dont even have concrete evidence to convince us he can/will develop, BUT it is worth the risk. we have plummeted, the flacco era is 2 years max from ending, we have become the most boring team in the league, never getting star talent in FA because of cap, never making the playoffs, never getting high in the draft, just constantly middling on mediocrity, lamar jackson is a potential franchise qb, an electric player who brings excitement and something weve never seen before, and we were able to get him for a 32nd overall and a future 2nd, giving us a chance to build a brand new exciting identity and possibly doing so without even having a trainwreck of a rebuild mode.

if that chance presents itself, you goddamn take it. no 2nd rounder this year or next coulve made a bigger potential impact. no player in this 2nd or next years was gonna get us a SB before flaccos tenure ends, might as well take that jump while you have it, take one pick to give yourself an exciting future and the rest of your picks are to help now AND for that next era qb. even if lamar busts, the plan was brilliant, 100% worth the risk.

Not to mention next year's QB class is kinda mediocre. Getting someone with his ceiling for a 2nd round pick is a deal you take every time.

 

[jboy19]

there is obviously a bigger chance than we'd like to admit that jackson is a bust, he has to develop, he has to fix his footwork, he has to gain consistency in his mechanics and motions, he has to learn to avoid hits, he has to be able to win with his arm when teams force him to, we dont know if he can do this at the next level, some of these things we dont even have concrete evidence to convince us he can/will develop, BUT it is worth the risk. we have plummeted, the flacco era is 2 years max from ending, we have become the most boring team in the league, never getting star talent in FA because of cap, never making the playoffs, never getting high in the draft, just constantly middling on mediocrity, lamar jackson is a potential franchise qb, an electric player who brings excitement and something weve never seen before, and we were able to get him for a 32nd overall and a future 2nd, giving us a chance to build a brand new exciting identity and possibly doing so without even having a trainwreck of a rebuild mode.

if that chance presents itself, you goddamn take it. no 2nd rounder this year or next coulve made a bigger potential impact. no player in this 2nd or next years was gonna get us a SB before flaccos tenure ends, might as well take that jump while you have it, take one pick to give yourself an exciting future and the rest of your picks are to help now AND for that next era qb. even if lamar busts, the plan was brilliant, 100% worth the risk.

Really can't overemphasize how good the price was to get Jackson. Considering how many teams give up multiple round 1 picks on their QBs, giving up a couple 2s and some change is nothing.

 

[redrum52]

That's literally the best play to get a qb the way the current system works. Cheapest pick in the 1st with a 5th year option for what could be a franchise changer. We gave up a mid 2nd swapped 4ths and gave up a 2nd next year. I'll take it, even though I think that will be a pretty good pick next year.

Also, by the time he's ready to start the amount of cap recouped will be INSANE. All these FA guys people around here love to ignore will finally be real prospects. Lamar might actually be a draw for guys to come here, too.

 

[Italian Raven]

Italian raven, no idea what all those attachments are trying to indicate.

They mean that:
1. Louisville played quite some 2TE formations, which is exactly what we're supposed to do with so many of them on our roster. Those run options that they played in the redzone would be particularly effective with our personnel. For this reason I hope we play some sub packages in crucial situations, which would help Lamar to get his feet wet as well.
2. It's very, very hard to gameplan against such a talented runner because it just gives you so many options you just don't have with a less mobile/athletic Flacco.

 

[allblackraven]

The comprehensuv plan does not include lamar Jackson, john harball, ozze nor decost. Unfortunately for another year or two its gonna include Joejoe. It could have included Sam Darnold, but that's water under the bridge now.

Italian raven, no idea what all those attachments are trying to indicate.

I also have no idea what trolling is. At the other site when one was calling our decision makers numbskulls one would get accused of trolling to stifle the criticism. To stop the dissent. Here, I want to be first on the board and loudest calling this Jackson nonsense a fiasco. Don't want there to be any doubt when the NFL evidence rolls in. Personally, I don't believe you will ever see this guy start in a Raven's uniform and that's my primary prediction. Was it worth two valuable #2 draft picks and a #4 to acquire your dedicated back up QB?.......NOT

Yeah, I'm the guy that hates Humpf too. But he did work his way into the lineup due to injury last year. He probably starts this year. Not much reason to watch this coming year other than to see Humpf show his true stuff.

Just Bombs

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[Cville-Raven]

Just Bombs

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looks like a sTronG sAfeTy to me

 

[Justdewinit20]

correct, he is running the Erhardt Perkins scheme, the same system that the Patriots run.

Still didn’t fit his strengths imo. Sure there were designed run plays to use his athletic ability, but on passing plays he was asked to attack down the field too much, I like him in the 0-19 yard range. While his footwork may have had to do a lot with his lack of accuracy, having consistent pressure in your face while having to attack downfield is not a good mix.

 

[RavensMania]

Having great fun watching Jackson.
I'm noticing how utterly calm this guy is in the pocket. No matter the bodies around him you can see how patient and calm he is making reads and going through progressions.

Yes, he has a tremendous amount of poise. As a matter of fact, I remember watching a comparison between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson by Matt Waldman. Jackson has tremendous poise, something that Allen doesn’t. Jackson has elite potential.

 

[NaturalBornHitters]

So lately there has been talk of Lamar possibly starting THIS year.

And while I don’t necessarily think it’s going to happen, there’s a part of me that’s kinda scared that it COULD happen with a few scenarios.

One is if Joe Flacco just shits the bed this season (because he just doesn’t have it anymore, or if he’s being a little bitch about Lamar being drafted and has a “fuck it” attitude). This would throw Harbaugh into panic mode and prematurely start Lamar hoping that Lamar can turn things around to save the Ravens season and Harbs job.

It’s a no brainer that Lamar needs good coaching and practice to get him ready to compete in the NFL, if thrown into the fire this could be detrimental to his growth and career as a QB. And that scanerio is a little worrisom to me.

 

[RavensMania]

That's literally the best play to get a qb the way the current system works. Cheapest pick in the 1st with a 5th year option for what could be a franchise changer. We gave up a mid 2nd swapped 4ths and gave up a 2nd next year. I'll take it, even though I think that will be a pretty good pick next year.

Also, by the time he's ready to start the amount of cap recouped will be INSANE. All these FA guys people around here love to ignore will finally be real prospects. Lamar might actually be a draw for guys to come here, too.

We swapped out 2nd for the Eagles 1st, them gave them next yrs 2nd and swapped 4ths. We essentially just gave them a 2nd round pick

 

[jboy19]

So lately there has been talk of Lamar possibly starting THIS year.

And while I don’t necessarily think it’s going to happen, there’s a part of me that’s kinda scared that it COULD happen with a few scenarios.

One is if Joe Flacco just shits the bed this season (because he just doesn’t have it anymore, or if he’s being a little bitch about Lamar being drafted and has a “fuck it” attitude). This would throw Harbaugh into panic mode and prematurely start Lamar hoping that Lamar can turn things around to save the Ravens season and Harbs job.

It’s a no brainer that Lamar needs good coaching and practice to get him ready to compete in the NFL, if thrown into the fire this could be detrimental to his growth and career as a QB. And that scanerio is a little worrisom to me.

I expect that if the team goes into the bye week at 3-6 or worse then there is a possibility that Lamar could take over as starter. The only way that early play would be detrimental is if the team loses faith in him prematurely, which has not historically been an issue in Baltimore. I doubt that Jackson gets thrown in if he is severely underprepared though.

I'd imagine that if something happens to Flacco before the bye week that RG3 would take over.

 

[NaturalBornHitters]

I expect that if the team goes into the bye week at 3-6 or worse then there is a possibility that Lamar could take over as starter. The only way that early play would be detrimental is if the team loses faith in him prematurely, which has not historically been an issue in Baltimore. I doubt that Jackson gets thrown in if he is severely underprepared though.

I'd imagine that if something happens to Flacco before the bye week that RG3 would take over.

I hope you’re right. Let’s hope RG3 makes the squad lol