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rossihunter2 said:
our defensive line is so stacked with solid players that it'd be a large investment and it would only reap marginal rewards based on the overall level of the dline improving - we are returning every player along the Dline from last year's group and getting urban back from injury too - we already had too many and i imagine a guy like kaufusi needs to have a huge camp to even make the team so i agree there really isnt room...

i dont have any of the DL as top 16 on the board (obviously need plays into that) so i dont think DL should be the pick but the ozzie said the pick would surprise people - i guess my hope is that the ravens are self-aware enough to know that picking da'ron payne would not elicit surprise but rage and resignation to the plight

so when they say surprise i guess it will be any position outside of DL or wide receiver
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I actually think our d-line is overrated right now. Williams is great at forcing plays towards the sideline, Pierce can stop the run, and Henry and Wormley are rotational pieces. It's not bad but I wouldn't call it stacked.
 
RaineV1 said:
I actually think our d-line is overrated right now. Williams is great at forcing plays towards the sideline, Pierce can stop the run, and Henry and Wormley are rotational pieces. It's not bad but I wouldn't call it stacked.
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Henry is more than a rotational piece. I'll go as far as saying Willie Henry is our best defensive lineman. He played an insane amount of snaps last year, and he was very good. If we get a better rotation he will wreak havoc on passing downs.
 
Williams, Pierce, Henry, Urban are all starters on almost any other team. Davis is a good player. Wormley is going to be a very solid player with more experience. We probably do need more depth with the inevitable injuries but our Dline is definitely a strong point.
 
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RaineV1 said:
I actually think our d-line is overrated right now. Williams is great at forcing plays towards the sideline, Pierce can stop the run, and Henry and Wormley are rotational pieces. It's not bad but I wouldn't call it stacked.
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it's stacked in that it's over-saturated with quality pieces even if none of them are elite players

Williams is a premier run-stuffing nose tackle (even though we are paying for more - he's at least good at that)
Henry is a great interior rusher
Brent Urban (when healthy) was supposed to be the iron man of the unit who played the most snaps and effects both the pass and run
Pierce is a solid nose and hopefully will be moved back to 3tech (and swap with brandon williams) and can progress from where he was in his rookie year - ideally henry and pierce would both play large snaps but henry would be spelled on obvious running downs by pierce and pierce would leave the field more often on passing plays (albeit its more important that henry play the pass than pierce play the run)
Carl Davis who improved as the season went on at DE despite that not being his best position necessarily

we have 5 starter worthy players straight up - that's fairly stacked
and that's not to mention chris wormley who flashed in limited play (and hopefully will grow like willie henry having pretty much had a red shirt rookie year), pat ricard who is probably transitioning this offseason to be a full time full-back who will be an emergency DL on gamedays

Bronson Kaufusi probably doesnt even make the roster as a 3rd year player

we dont have a superstar dominant interior guy like a donald but ill be interested to see if this unit (which is a really young group still) can kick on and start to dominate - hopefully urban can stay healthy because if we can field him and Henry in the same front and create interior pressure then it should hopefully help our edge guys feed too
 
I wouldn't be opposed to either Payne or Vea given the fact Urban is coming off an injury and only signed to a one year deal. Carl Davis is in his last year of his deal and is a free agent in 2019. That's two of the 5 gone and may look at a bigger contract in free agency then what we are willing to pay. Payne or Vea would give us a 5 year starter next to Williams and have some continuity on the line. But at the same time I don't see either of them as BPA at 16 over a Calvin Ridley or even a Derwin James or Minkah Fitzpatrick if they fell. I would even take Edmunds if somehow he fell to us at 16 before taking Vea or Payne. Now maybe in a trade down scenario and one of them falls to the 20's, sure take either Payne or Vea at that point.
 
JO_75 said:
I wouldn't be opposed to either Payne or Vea given the fact Urban is coming off an injury and only signed to a one year deal. Carl Davis is in his last year of his deal and is a free agent in 2019. That's two of the 5 gone and may look at a bigger contract in free agency then what we are willing to pay. Payne or Vea would give us a 5 year starter next to Williams and have some continuity on the line. But at the same time I don't see either of them as BPA at 16 over a Calvin Ridley or even a Derwin James or Minkah Fitzpatrick if they fell. I would even take Edmunds if somehow he fell to us at 16 before taking Vea or Payne. Now maybe in a trade down scenario and one of them falls to the 20's, sure take either Payne or Vea at that point.
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If we go and pick a front 7 player id much rather take Marcus Davenport. That way we could move on from ZDS also but more because id rather use the depth on the Dline that we have. I still think Wormley could play the 5tech
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
If we go and pick a front 7 player id much rather take Marcus Davenport. That way we could move on from ZDS also but more because id rather use the depth on the Dline that we have. I still think Wormley could play the 5tech
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my hope is that wormley will spend this year spelling urban as the 5tech and hopefully earning more snaps in the rotation to take over when urban hits free agency next year
 
Simba said:
Vea might be the only DL anyone could sell me on to the Ravens but I'd still be questioning that. I at least think his issues are highly correctable, especially with the DL factory we have here. Regardless, I'd be highly shocked (and disappointed) if DL was picked anywhere on day 1 or 2.
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Don’t know what we’d do with a guy that only played 60% of the snaps at Washington. We already have two of those players on our team. Again people are way too low on Maurice Hurst
 
rossihunter2 said:
it's stacked in that it's over-saturated with quality pieces even if none of them are elite players

Williams is a premier run-stuffing nose tackle (even though we are paying for more - he's at least good at that)
Henry is a great interior rusher
Brent Urban (when healthy) was supposed to be the iron man of the unit who played the most snaps and effects both the pass and run
Pierce is a solid nose and hopefully will be moved back to 3tech (and swap with brandon williams) and can progress from where he was in his rookie year - ideally henry and pierce would both play large snaps but henry would be spelled on obvious running downs by pierce and pierce would leave the field more often on passing plays (albeit its more important that henry play the pass than pierce play the run)
Carl Davis who improved as the season went on at DE despite that not being his best position necessarily

we have 5 starter worthy players straight up - that's fairly stacked
and that's not to mention chris wormley who flashed in limited play (and hopefully will grow like willie henry having pretty much had a red shirt rookie year), pat ricard who is probably transitioning this offseason to be a full time full-back who will be an emergency DL on gamedays

Bronson Kaufusi probably doesnt even make the roster as a 3rd year player

we dont have a superstar dominant interior guy like a donald but ill be interested to see if this unit (which is a really young group still) can kick on and start to dominate - hopefully urban can stay healthy because if we can field him and Henry in the same front and create interior pressure then it should hopefully help our edge guys feed too
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That Aaron Donald type of player is Maurice Hurst
 
Justdewinit20 said:
Don’t know what we’d do with a guy that only played 60% of the snaps at Washington. We already have two of those players on our team. Again people are way too low on Maurice Hurst
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I won't go too far into this because a debate about players we aren't going to take is useless, but it's about traits. Vea has them, regardless of what he did in college.
 
Since the Mo Hurst conversation is here, Matt Miller tweeted that he's looking like a 3rd rounder based on information he's hearing.
 
Sources confirm: Simba will get no work done tomorrow while he scours Twitter for rumors and information. Expecting a repeat performance of today.
 
Simba said:
Sources confirm: Simba will get no work done tomorrow while he scours Twitter for rumors and information. Expecting a repeat performance of today.
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Seems awful quiet out there. Usually we're hearing pretty specific player/team speculation.
Should be a legal holiday....beginning today and extending through the weekend.
 
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