2022 WR Thread

[rossihunter2]

Probably the first time in forever that WR isn't a need.

Still probably my favourite position to scout.

Very interesting class. Another good looking one and as per every year we've got a bunch of guys from Alabama and a bunch of guys from Ohio State...

 

[Argentina Raven]

It is not necessary, but you drop a metchie, a williams, a burke, a london and it is difficult to pass them ...

 

[Dom McRaven]

It is not necessary, but you drop a metchie, a williams, a burke, a london and it is difficult to pass them ...

If Metchie is available by the time we're up to pick, there would have to be a better prospect for us in order to justify passing on him (of course, not including any off the field issues, but I haven't heard anything in that regard).

 

[Argentina Raven]

forgot to mention it, justyn Ross is someone I would bet on too

 

[rossihunter2]

jameson williams just went out of the championship game - non-contact injury and happened when he tried to plant - not sure if it's his knee or his ankle

 

[All_black_everything]

Now that Williams tore his acl, if falls to our second round pick do you take him? Imagine the stress our offense would put on a defense with Williams added to the receiving core.

 

[ChainedBird]

Now that Williams tore his acl, if falls to our second round pick do you take him? Imagine the stress our offense would put on a defense with Williams added to the receiving core.

I wouldn't, our WR room is stacked at all levels, young and cheap. I don't see the net gain from adding a guy there (unless someone reeeeeallly drops) when we have bigger fish to fry.

 

[All_black_everything]

I wouldn't, our WR room is stacked at all levels, young and cheap. I don't see the net gain from adding a guy there (unless someone reeeeeallly drops) when we have bigger fish to fry.

I feel as that would qualify in my mind as a guy really dropping. Idk if I’m in the minority here but I don’t think Proche and Duv really scare any teams but I can definitely understand that we have other holes to fill.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

anyone here seen film on Alec pierce? Very tall and long, Incredible ball skills, and he’s got a deadly release.

 

[Davesta]

Now that Williams tore his acl, if falls to our second round pick do you take him? Imagine the stress our offense would put on a defense with Williams added to the receiving core.

Eh, the fact that we don’t use our young WRs we have now, makes drafting a new one feel meh. Will they be used? Probably not until year 2/3. Lol

 

[rossihunter2]

anyone here seen film on Alec pierce? Very tall and long, Incredible ball skills, and he’s got a deadly release.

only thing ive seen of him was the CFB semi-final where he was wide open on a slant in the endzone but ridder's pass got tipped

 

[Simba]

I don't really see a need to draft another WR high. We've drafted 6 in the past 3 years and have gotten 2 starters, 3 solid rotational pieces, and 1 bust out of it. I'll keep my eyes open in the mid rounds if there's incredible value but a WR is likely off my board for the first 3 rounds.

 

[rossihunter2]

I don't really see a need to draft another WR high. We've drafted 6 in the past 3 years and have gotten 2 starters, 3 solid rotational pieces, and 1 bust out of it. I'll keep my eyes open in the mid rounds if there's incredible value but a WR is likely off my board for the first 3 rounds.

would have to be insane value to take one - and more likely we'd trade out of that pick for someone to come up and make the best of that value

 

[RaineV1]

I'd only take a WR if the value is crazy good. Like a first rounder that's still there in our second round pick, such as Drake London.

But for now, we barely use the young WR talent we have as is, and Roman's scheme isn't known for being WR focused.

 

[All_black_everything]

would have to be insane value to take one - and more likely we'd trade out of that pick for someone to come up and make the best of that value

I'd only take a WR if the value is crazy good. Like a first rounder that's still there in our second round pick, such as Drake London.

But for now, we barely use the young WR talent we have as is, and Roman's scheme isn't known for being WR focused.

This is why I was asking the question, since Jameson Williams was mocked as a top 15 pick and now is injured. Does he fall out of the first? and if he’s there at our second round pick. Do you take him?

 

[rossihunter2]

something to think about when we eventually do start looking at WRs

 

[JoeyFlex5]

something to think about when we eventually do start looking at WRs

Is this some groundbreaking revelation? I thought this was commonly understood by “football people” lol

 

[rossihunter2]

Is this some groundbreaking revelation? I thought this was commonly understood by “football people” lol

it seems many do forget it every year and get enamoured with body types or athletic testing numbers and even hands

all of those are secondary to your ability to be explosive and change direction effectively to create separation

it’s one of the places I see tons of guys with analytics models try and predict future success and they seem to fail when it comes to some of these things - I normally love analytics and data etc but find that it gets misused a ton with WR grading

but wasn’t really specifically aimed at anyone here lol

 

[JoeyFlex5]

it seems many do forget it every year and get enamoured with body types or athletic testing numbers and even hands

all of those are secondary to your ability to be explosive and change direction effectively to create separation

it’s one of the places I see tons of guys with analytics models try and predict future success and they seem to fail when it comes to some of these things - I normally love analytics and data etc but find that it gets misused a ton with WR grading

but wasn’t really specifically aimed at anyone here lol

I mean I fall victim myself every year, I get enamored with certain guys and I will occasionally ignore a big bodied wr with these shortcomings if they are fundamentally strong with their release and leverage throughout their routes, but yeah this is undoubtedly the most useful skill for a receiver to have besides being able to just catch the ball

 

[rossihunter2]

I mean I fall victim myself every year, I get enamored with certain guys and I will occasionally ignore a big bodied wr with these shortcomings if they are fundamentally strong with their release and leverage throughout their routes, but yeah this is undoubtedly the most useful skill for a receiver to have besides being able to just catch the ball

for years everyone was looking for that outside big body threat because that's what you looked for - and what analytics has done (and just common sense with the way the rules are now) is change the way teams throw the ball - outside passes to big guys on comebacks and fades and back-shoulders etc. are low percentage throws and not what your offence should be built around... and it's also harder to scout/develop that kind of trait - some guys just have that and some don't

but what translates is what guys do to create space/separation and what they do in space - that sort of stuff is much more repeatable and projectable

we're almost seeing now the reverse of what we were seeing 10-15 years ago in terms of skill position construction...

smaller guys on the outside who threaten vertically and horizontally and who stretch the field (partly they can do this because teams press a lot less because teams play a lot less man coverage) - but on the other side of that we're starting to see the rise (or re-rise) of power slot type guys who might be TEs but more likely in addition to TEs - guys who can box out and make plays in the crowded/contested middle of the field but who also have the ability to crack or down block on the edge in the running game or who can motion into blocks (like willie snead) - they dont need to be big but they need to be able to live in contact zones - and it's why you dont see hollywood play a lot in the slot for us unless we're in super-obvious passing situations and it's a general trend around the league

obviously not hard and fast fact and WRs nowadays are more multiple than they've ever been but just some growing trends that ive noticed

and that's not to say you cant get enamoured with a big guy who's somewhat limited in those areas - because some guys just naturally find ways to separate... look at someone like allen lazard with rodgers - he wins with size and hands and trust and reliability like a throwback kind of WR or even a jauan jennings who's again athletically limited but in college just found a way to get himself open as a big body in the slot and then make it work somehow after the catch without plus athleticism and it's taken a year or 2 but that's also now translating with the 49ers too - but it also should be said that those guys are more of the unicorn types when 6 or 7 years ago they were still the kinds of guys teams were seeking out - and the kinds of guys that ravens fans (not here) seem to fall in love with all the time... for ages it's been a common refrain on social media that im sure you've seen it too that ravens fans (and even some beat guys) constantly obsess over the idea of finding a big body on the outside and that's just not how football really works right now anymore