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Where can I read this. In my opinion Rosen’s accuracy is a lil overrated. And I haven’t watched much on him. But I dunno how anybody can put a round4 grade on him. Unless his accuracy is consistently erratic. Do you have a link to this article?? And BTW how could anybody say his arm isn’t good. I mean it may not be Favre strong. But it is very good and he can sling it with serious velocity. But I’m interested to see if his accuracy is really that inconsistent to drop him outa round1


He discredited himself by giving him a 4th round grade. I wouldnt have finished reading it after I saw the grade.




Video with a scouting report.

I watch this guy. He claims to be smarter than most of the league but his overall track record is around the same, if not is slightly worse than mine is. I've had my massive misses(Maxx Williams, Landon Collins) but my hits tend to be moreso and are not nearly as embarrassing as some of his(he thought Von Miller would bust).
 
Kirk has said that while money is important, winning is most important. I think Denver would be an option but according to a new report, the Vikings are on the top of Cousins' dream list so to speak.
I’d actuall like him to stay in the NFC for the fact that he will keep pounding on the Skins more often. Now If he ended up with the Vikings that would be awful for Jay Gruden, since Mike Zimmer used to be on the same team.
 


Video with a scouting report.

I watch this guy. He claims to be smarter than most of the league but his overall track record is around the same, if not is slightly worse than mine is. I've had my massive misses(Maxx Williams, Landon Collins) but my hits tend to be moreso and are not nearly as embarrassing as some of his(he thought Von Miller would bust).

4th round lol. His 2017 ravens analysis was spot on. I like how he brought up some aspects that aren't talked about a lot. But he also has Josh Allen as his N1 QB. I don't know how his grading system works but this is just downright ridiculous. 90.0 - 100 1ST ROUND 86.5 - 89.99 2ND ROUND 83.0 - 86.49 3RD ROUND 79.5 - 82.99 4TH ROUND 76.0 - 79.49
Allen: 91.875
Jackson: 89.775
Darnold: 88.725
Lauletta 86.1
Mayfield: 84.0
Rudolph: 82.425
Rosen: 79.8
Luke Falk: 79.275
He compared Josh Allen to Cam Newton. He comes up with some idiotic excuses: "J.Allen wasn't in the right system, bad WR". But every QB has to be in the right system to maximize his potential. Darnold lost JuJu. Rosen had no help. Can't believe ppl take him serious.
 
4th round lol. His 2017 ravens analysis was spot on. I like how he brought up some aspects that aren't talked about a lot. But he also has Josh Allen as his N1 QB. I don't know how his grading system works but this is just downright ridiculous. 90.0 - 100 1ST ROUND 86.5 - 89.99 2ND ROUND 83.0 - 86.49 3RD ROUND 79.5 - 82.99 4TH ROUND 76.0 - 79.49
Allen: 91.875
Jackson: 89.775
Darnold: 88.725
Lauletta 86.1
Mayfield: 84.0
Rudolph: 82.425
Rosen: 79.8
Luke Falk: 79.275
He compared Josh Allen to Cam Newton. He comes up with some idiotic excuses: "J.Allen wasn't in the right system, bad WR". But every QB has to be in the right system to maximize his potential. Darnold lost JuJu. Rosen had no help. Can't believe ppl take him serious.
It's easy to see what's wrong with the ravens though lol. Only Ozzie doesn't seem to notice lol.

Yeah no. Allen is physically gifted but he's got more issues. Rosen had Lasley and Wilson, but his WRs had the dropsies out the wazoo and his oline was a laughable joke without the run game. If Allen gets the "was not in the right system, bad WR" excuse.. Then Rosen gets it FAR more because half of the time he was getting his ass kicked to the curb.

Sorry. I'm not a Josh Allen fan in the slightest. He looks like another Colin Kaepernick to me(not the person, the player). Protests or not, if Kaepernick was a franchise QB he'd be employed.

Also.. Four round pick. Pro Comparison: Eli Manning.
 
4th round lol. His 2017 ravens analysis was spot on. I like how he brought up some aspects that aren't talked about a lot. But he also has Josh Allen as his N1 QB. I don't know how his grading system works but this is just downright ridiculous. 90.0 - 100 1ST ROUND 86.5 - 89.99 2ND ROUND 83.0 - 86.49 3RD ROUND 79.5 - 82.99 4TH ROUND 76.0 - 79.49
Allen: 91.875
Jackson: 89.775
Darnold: 88.725
Lauletta 86.1
Mayfield: 84.0
Rudolph: 82.425
Rosen: 79.8
Luke Falk: 79.275
He compared Josh Allen to Cam Newton. He comes up with some idiotic excuses: "J.Allen wasn't in the right system, bad WR". But every QB has to be in the right system to maximize his potential. Darnold lost JuJu. Rosen had no help. Can't believe ppl take him serious.

that's a stupid grading system whereby only an 21% deficit in a grade is the difference between being the undeniable perfect prospect and a day 3 grade...
most scouting departments use a percentile system like he does but the grading systems are designed so that its exponentially more impressive to get a grade that's close to perfection i.e. a first round grade doesnt mean you need to be 90% of a perfect prospect which you do in this guy's system...

in reality a first round grade should be minimum something around 70% (or in that region depending on the year and class - of course a first round grade is separate to how many players actually go in the first round - almost always there are fewer first round grades than first round picks) and then the closeness to 100% really means something... getting a 7.5 means you're an incredible talent - getting an 8 means you're a bona fide superstar guaranteed and god forbid you get a 9 but you'd be an elite talent straight off the bat and a no brainer number 1 pick no matter the class you're in... it means that you never give someone a perfect grade no matter how good they are because there's always more room - it also means that you arent giving high numerical grade numbers to prospects who arent good... it means that the difference between a likely pro bowler and a 4th rounder is likely gonna be closer to 17/18% and a 4th rounder is gonna be 42% (or more) away from a perfect score

it allows for a better frame of reference vs players in the league rather than requiring 2 symbiotic sliding scales that mean different things

i think matt miller's grading system is probably the best ive seen - it allows for neat acknowledgement and easy to see figures when a player is good and the gaps between rounds close up the further down the draft you go
it's intuitive because if you score a 5 or more you are draftable and under a 5 you are undraftable

it's by the by because everyone has a scale that works for them but it seems counterintuitive to have your bands so close like he does because it invariably leads to you getting something as wrong as he has when you misidentify only 1/2 traits


Matt Miller's NFL Draft Grading Scale
Grade Label
9.00 Elite—No. 1 pick
8.00-8.99 All-Pro—Rare Talent
7.50-7.99 Round 1—Pro Bowl Potential
7.00-7.49 Round 1—Top-15 Player Potential
6.50-6.99 Round 2—Rookie Impact/Future Starter
6.00-6.49 Round 3—Rookie Impact/Future Starter
5.80-5.99 Round 3-4—Future Starter
5.70-5.79 Round 4—Backup Caliber
5.60-5.69 Round 5—Backup Caliber
5.30-5.59 Round 6—Backup Caliber
5.10-5.25 Round 7—Backup Caliber
5.00 Priority Free Agent
4.50-4.99 Camp Player
 
I watched a ton of tape on Josh Allen today. I figured it out. Cam Newton is a shitty pro comparison. One of the worst I have ever seen. Cam Newton's college days saw him dominating high level competition in his one year as a starter because he was a QB in a linebackers body. He was tearing teams up with his legs and his arm. Cam in college made mistakes here and there, but almost all of his problems were correctable from a coaching perspective(which it has).

I don't see that with Allen. I question his football IQ in addition to his mechanics. There are WAY too many times where he should just throw the ball away and he doesn't. This is an easy fix but that's just the tip of the iceberg. He chucks it down deep, it will be a duck, and boom, intercepted. Takes too many uncessary risks. Accuracy is porous at times. Sure, he can make those elite throws because his arm is a cannon.. Ask Jay Cutler how well that worked out for him during his career. In terms of pure strength, Cutler might have arguably the strongest arm in the game. But it's not the best. The Flacco comparisons are crap too.. While several accuse Joe of being mediocre throughout his career. That's not the case. Inconsistent as all hell, yes, but when Joe is in rythmn, he's accurate as hell, he's reading defenses at a solid level. When Flacco is comfortable he's a QB that no defense in the NFL wants to play. Allen doesn't do any of that crap. He's porous at reading a defense which is absolutely concerning when it comes to the fact that he played lower level competition, not only does he seem to occasionally force things, but he doesn't learn from his mistakes and he just tries to do too much. He's not nearly as good throwing on the run as some would think. Some of the decisions he does make are unnecessary risks that aren't 50/50 more like 20/80. His pocket presence.. Needs work. He won't be able to only thrive off of his athletic ability when the linebackers in the NFL are not only bigger, but just as fast as he is.

Allen is not just a project, he's a money pit. He has the tolls to suceed and a good head on his shoulders but he literally needs to land in the best situation humanly possible to have a chance at being a franchise QB. His arm and athletic ability are intruiging. Best arm in terms of strength to probably come out of the draft since Jamarcus Russell. Experience in poor weather because Wyoming sucks(lol), played in a pro style offense. But the concerns are pretty damning as far as things go.

Poor footwork
Not accurate at all making a lot of that arm strength useless
Not great at going through progressions
Questionable decision making on the field
Tries to do too much at times
Pocket Presence questionable.
Athletic ability won't translate nearly as well to the NFL where the LBs are bigger than he is and just as fast.

I'll be honest with you all. I wouldn't touch this guy at all in the first round if I needed a QB. If I had a guy who I was confident in coaching him up while he sat on the bench for 3-4 years.. I'd consider it. But I can't. His questions far outweigh his positive qualities. I don't see how he is the first QB on so many people's boards. He has Rosen beat in athleticism and character.. But that's it. His arm isn't that much better than Rosen's is and Rosen can do things on a football field that Allen just isn't able too. I doubt he can learn it that quickly.

Pro Comparison: Cardale Jones/Logan Thomas. Yeah. I'm going here. Both of those two were from the same coin. Uber athletic, big arms. No accuracy, poor pocket presence. Game did not transition well to the pros at all. Allen is going to have to land in literally the most ideal situation humanly possible to have a chance at being good. If an NFL team decides to throw him into the fire he's going to get massacred. He may be able to run a pro style offense, but the jump in competition is going to be especially hard for him. Not just because he cannot read NFL defenses to save his life, but because these defenses are far more talented than the ones that he played against in College.... Sure, his supporting cast will be better too, but it's going to be too much to be taken in. Allen has a high ceiling, dare I see in terms of a pure talent perspective he has the highest ceiling in the entire class. But he also has the highest bust potential and i'ts not even close. If he is brought in to be a day 1 starter he's not going to be killed: he's going to be massacred. He might fail anyway even if he does sit behind someone.

I'll be completely honest with you all. It would not surprise me in the slightest if Josh Allen took an unexpected fall on draft day. Hope the bills are dumb enough to trade the farm with us
 


Video with a scouting report.

I watch this guy. He claims to be smarter than most of the league but his overall track record is around the same, if not is slightly worse than mine is. I've had my massive misses(Maxx Williams, Landon Collins) but my hits tend to be moreso and are not nearly as embarrassing as some of his(he thought Von Miller would bust).


This dude seems to do his homework but he is drunk if he finds Josh Allen more accurate than Rosen. I mean Rosen has to clean up some throws but he is far more accurate than Allen. Allen could be a really good QB!! But, If I was running a draft, he would have to be a good QB elsewhere. Cuz I would not use a top 8pick on him. Maybe in round2 I would take a chance on him unless a player I really liked fell to round2.
 
4th round lol. His 2017 ravens analysis was spot on. I like how he brought up some aspects that aren't talked about a lot. But he also has Josh Allen as his N1 QB. I don't know how his grading system works but this is just downright ridiculous. 90.0 - 100 1ST ROUND 86.5 - 89.99 2ND ROUND 83.0 - 86.49 3RD ROUND 79.5 - 82.99 4TH ROUND 76.0 - 79.49
Allen: 91.875
Jackson: 89.775
Darnold: 88.725
Lauletta 86.1
Mayfield: 84.0
Rudolph: 82.425
Rosen: 79.8
Luke Falk: 79.275
He compared Josh Allen to Cam Newton. He comes up with some idiotic excuses: "J.Allen wasn't in the right system, bad WR". But every QB has to be in the right system to maximize his potential. Darnold lost JuJu. Rosen had no help. Can't believe ppl take him serious.

His dislike for Rosen is more personal than skills in my opinion. Anyways for my money my FAV QB is Chad Kelly!! We should send a round4 pick over to Denver and groom him behind joe a year or 2. His arm talent is the best I ever saw anywhere’s!! He fluidly effortlessly flicks his wrist and the ball fires 30-40 yards into double coverage with the confidence of hitting his receiver that most QBs have on an 8 yard throw to a wide open receiver. He destroyed the competition at division 2 when he was kicked off his team for fighting. Won national title there. Then came back to the SEC and beat Alabama once and lit 50 points on them in a loss. He looked better than Watson did against Alabama. Against a defense littered with round1 and early picks. He made them look bad. Allen, Williams,Foster,Harrison,Fitzpatrick Humph to name a couple.

He is a smart dude that made some young male decisions. No domestic violence and no drugs. He is really smart and growing up now. And he has TD runs of 50 yards. He probably has 4.60 speed. He is dual threat but definitely prefers to throw. His arm talent is Aaron Rodgers territory. Last QB I liked this much was Jimmy Garappolo. And Chad is better than Garappolo. He is Garappolo with more arm talent and more accurate on longer ranged intermediate throws.

It would be soooo awesome to steal him for a round 4 pick from Elway!! Then kick his butt. He will be the franchise QB for Baltimore that Elway was supposed to be and cheated Baltimore. His skills are off the charts like Elway. Cannon arm, fluid effortless lightning release, Pinpoint accuracy And a dual threat QB. There isn’t a QB in this draft I would take over Chad.
 
His dislike for Rosen is more personal than skills in my opinion. Anyways for my money my FAV QB is Chad Kelly!! We should send a round4 pick over to Denver and groom him behind joe a year or 2. His arm talent is the best I ever saw anywhere’s!! He fluidly effortlessly flicks his wrist and the ball fires 30-40 yards into double coverage with the confidence of hitting his receiver that most QBs have on an 8 yard throw to a wide open receiver. He destroyed the competition at division 2 when he was kicked off his team for fighting. Won national title there. Then came back to the SEC and beat Alabama once and lit 50 points on them in a loss. He looked better than Watson did against Alabama. Against a defense littered with round1 and early picks. He made them look bad. Allen, Williams,Foster,Harrison,Fitzpatrick Humph to name a couple.

He is a smart dude that made some young male decisions. No domestic violence and no drugs. He is really smart and growing up now. And he has TD runs of 50 yards. He probably has 4.60 speed. He is dual threat but definitely prefers to throw. His arm talent is Aaron Rodgers territory. Last QB I liked this much was Jimmy Garappolo. And Chad is better than Garappolo. He is Garappolo with more arm talent and more accurate on longer ranged intermediate throws.

It would be soooo awesome to steal him for a round 4 pick from Elway!! Then kick his butt. He will be the franchise QB for Baltimore that Elway was supposed to be and cheated Baltimore. His skills are off the charts like Elway. Cannon arm, fluid effortless lightning release, Pinpoint accuracy And a dual threat QB. There isn’t a QB in this draft I would take over Chad.
And a peanut for a brain.
 
His coaches all disagree

and yet all the players/coaches/front office staff dont seem keen to give him a go at qb for some reason... i wonder why it is that they are out looking for a big money qb signing/are expected to take a qb at the 5th pick in the draft

not sure theyd be doing that if kelly was the real deal as you say he is...
 
and yet all the players/coaches/front office staff dont seem keen to give him a go at qb for some reason... i wonder why it is that they are out looking for a big money qb signing/are expected to take a qb at the 5th pick in the draft

not sure theyd be doing that if kelly was the real deal as you say he is...

Back up plan. Didn’t use a high pick on him. So it can justify using a high pick on a QB. And when Chad outplays him Elway can trade Allen or Mayfield whomeve it drafts. Could be a smokescreen drafting a QB. Broncos fans blame QB’s performances on 31 yr old WRs slowing down with diminishing skills. And not being viable options at receiver. QBs looked better when Latimer finally took some reps from Sanders and Thomas.
 
I actually believe in this rumor too, but of course it's an eternity between now and the draft. Would they give up BOTH first rounders for this trade?

Yes and probally a mid rd pick to boot. I'm hoping they trade with us tho but too many teams in front of us need a QB. :(
 
Yes and probally a mid rd pick to boot. I'm hoping they trade with us tho but too many teams in front of us need a QB. :(
The only team that the Bills may see a threat to choosing a QB in the first is the Chargers. Other from that, I don't see them trading with us.
 
Oh no I meant by if they would actually give up both the 21st and 22nd pick.

They are going to have to, essentially trading into the top 10 won't be enough to get Rosen. They will have to trade into the top 5 because the draft value chart says there isn't enough from just 1 of their first round picks. Unless they can keep one, and package in 2019/2020 first round picks instead.

They might be able to pull off the trade with the Browns at 4, giving the Browns three first round picks and three chances to screw up a first round pick. Free Agency is going to dictate where these rookie quarterbacks go and get drafted. With so many veterans out there, you don't know how to mock quarterbacks in a mock draft.
 
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