The WR Thread

[Sledge Hammer]

What's that got to do with anything? Did you even fucking read my post?

For the record I wanted Malcom brown who is the only of the 3 guys there who has had a respectable career so far. So don't start, all I'm saying is the rationale was easy to understand.

No, it wasn’t. He was a long reach!! I can’t justify picking him at 26. And his 40 got him picked that early. That’s what it has to do with it. Yet he played 4.4 at best!! I projected he would run a 4.52. Perriman was a bust of destiny lol. He didn’t have nearly the potential that was hyped. His roots were so slow and awkward that Moore looked like a top10 pick next to Perriman. Picking him round1 was incompetence!!

 

[Ravensnation5220]

Kirk is worth a 1st round pick for sure, but does that mean hes worth 16? In my eyes....yes

 

[Sledge Hammer]

Thanks man I´m tremendously happy to be back.
I was with the first ones joining the forum, even before BR shut down, just that a lot of things happened in the meanwhile here in Germany and I´ve been so busy I actually forgot we did migrate And it´s beautiful. I´m living far from my family but this thing you brought back is something big. It´s going to be like a second home and I´m looking forward to log in daily; at very least once as I´m on my train to work. Such a relief to see everything you guys planned worked out. Really, congrats

oh man, when we got Perriman I was livid. It´s not like I lose faith in our FO, because if there´s one thing I have no doubt on is that those people know much more about football than me. So, after 5-10 mins of swears I´m like "ok, what exactly do they see that I can´t" and go back to the tapes. Even then, just like it happened with many other recent picks, doubts persist (Correa: never got the hype. Even Kiper and Mayock were over exaggerating about his skills as a pass rusher and cover guy while tapes were disappointing imo. Bowser ain´t much different. I just don´t get the pick. Wormley, even a worse one with my boy Lawson and Timmy on.)
But man, Breshad is my all time least fav pic.
Do we have a section to talk about our nailed and bad prospects predictions? I real feel like I have to confess.

I don’t care for Bowser. I think a touch better than average is the best he could ever be. Wormley I dislike as much as Perriman.

 

[RaineV1]

Kirk is worth a 1st round pick for sure, but does that mean hes worth 16? In my eyes....yes

Could certainly do worst than Kirk at 16. I believe it's a slight reach (I see him going in the 20s after posting a good combine), but he could certainly live up to 16 overall with his play in the NFL.

 

[Ravensnation5220]

Could certainly do worst than Kirk at 16. I believe it's a slight reach (I see him going in the 20s after posting a good combine), but he could certainly live up to 16 overall with his play in the NFL.

Thats what im saying. Sure maybe its a reach in terms of value but when you cut it dry a first round pick is someone who can come in and contribute immediately. Kirk would come in and probably lead our team in receptions and work as the return guy. Hes a cant miss prospect who will come in and work every day and you dont have to worry about red flags. Hes as sure a thing as there is as a prospect. Id consider trading down but if you love a guy you take him if hes there. I have no questions about him, and i feel that carries a lot of value in itself

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Kirk is not even close to Anthony miller, how he gets consideration and hype at 16 but anyone who suggests Miller at that stage is blasted for reaching, is beyond me...

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Kirk to me = Doug Baldwin at best. Anthony miller = Brandin cooks at worst and Steve smith at best.

I like Kirk, but I'm not taking him over Miller in any round, no way in hell.

 

[UKRaven]

Kirk is not even close to Anthony miller, how he gets consideration and hype at 16 but anyone who suggests Miller at that stage is blasted for reaching, is beyond me...

This. I like Kirk, but if we are talking 16 or a slight trade back then Miller should be the pick, not Kirk

 

[Jacquouille]

Kirk to me = Doug Baldwin at best. Anthony miller = Brandin cooks at worst and Steve smith at best.

I like Kirk, but I'm not taking him over Miller in any round, no way in hell.

Oh c'mon.
Cooks has ten times the athleticism Miller has. Kirk has three times the athleticism Miller has. If anything Cooks is Miller's ceiling.
Kirk is at worst Sterling Shepard and at best Antonio Brown probably.

 

[Ravensnation5220]

Kirk to me = Doug Baldwin at best. Anthony miller = Brandin cooks at worst and Steve smith at best.

I like Kirk, but I'm not taking him over Miller in any round, no way in hell.

I think your overselling your self quite a bit on Miller. I get it cause i like him too but you have to take a step back and get rid of your own biased. The worst thing you can do is fall in love with a guy because then you bring him up your board for no reason other than just liking him more. There are flaws to Millers game, more than you may see

 

[DeVito52]

I think your overselling your self quite a bit on Miller. I get it cause i like him too but you have to take a step back and get rid of your own biased. The worst thing you can do is fall in love with a guy because then you bring him up your board for no reason other than just liking him more. There are flaws to Millers game, more than you may see

What they is?

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Oh c'mon.
Cooks has ten times the athleticism Miller has. Kirk has three times the athleticism Miller has. If anything Cooks is Miller's ceiling.
Kirk is at worst Sterling Shepard and at best Antonio Brown probably.

Kirk is not more athletic than Miller... he's not as crafty as Miller, he doesn't make the same acrobatic catches as Miller, doesn't catch a contested pass or attack the ball as well as miller.

I think your overselling your self quite a bit on Miller. I get it cause i like him too but you have to take a step back and get rid of your own biased. The worst thing you can do is fall in love with a guy because then you bring him up your board for no reason other than just liking him more. There are flaws to Millers game, more than you may see

Name them and we can discuss, until then you are just saying "your opinion is biased because Kirk is better" which makes YOU look biased since you're not really providing any reasoning

 

[Jacquouille]

Kirk is not more athletic than Miller... he's not as crafty as Miller, he doesn't make the same acrobatic catches as Miller, doesn't catch a contested pass or attack the ball as well as miller.

I'll take a bet that Kirk beats Miller in every drill at the Combine.
For the rest, yes I can agree Miller makes more acrobatic grabs, is more crafty and attacks better.

 

[Ravensnation5220]

Kirk is not more athletic than Miller... he's not as crafty as Miller, he doesn't make the same acrobatic catches as Miller, doesn't catch a contested pass or attack the ball as well as miller.


Name them and we can discuss, until then you are just saying "your opinion is biased because Kirk is better" which makes YOU look biased since you're not really providing any reasoning

His frame is odd to say the least, his arms look a bit short, hes well built yet has stiffness in his hips. Speed is good but not great. Although he makes some spectacular catches i see him double catch more often than id like.

I like Kirk better because he doesnt have any red flags (miller has a foot problem) hes 2 years younger than miller so less tread on his tires. Kirk has better YAC ability and probably the best in this class. They both look to be slot recievers at the next level and i just have less question marks on Kirk than i do Miller. Kirk can do more than miller too as he is a great return man. He looks bigger and more agile than Miller and in my eyes has a higher ceiling.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'll take a bet that Kirk beats Miller in every drill at the Combine.
For the rest, yes I can agree Miller makes more acrobatic grabs, is more crafty and attacks better.

I'll take that bet. Kirk is more fluid but Miller is far more explosive. Specifically I'll bet that Miller wins in the 40 and broad jump, maybe verticals but I'm pretty sure Kirk has a big height advantage(Isn't he 6ft even?) but if they're the same height I'm taking Miller on vert.

What it boils down to for me, is that Miller attacks the ball and Kirk doesn't, he's a passive catcher, I like guys who attack, and passive catchers is all we have.

 

[Jacquouille]

I'll take that bet. Kirk is more fluid but Miller is far more explosive. Specifically I'll bet that Miller wins in the 40 and broad jump, maybe verticals but I'm pretty sure Kirk has a big height advantage(Isn't he 6ft even?) but if they're the same height I'm taking Miller on vert.

What it boils down to for me, is that Miller attacks the ball and Kirk doesn't, he's a passive catcher, I like guys who attack, and passive catchers is all we have.

Size doesn't matter in the vert. It's about how high your feet are when you jump, basically (they calculate the differential between standing up and the height of the jump).
Literally Kirk has had all his results cruising on his athleticism. Three cone is the only drill I'm not sure, otherwise Kirk takes it all imo and it's not really close.

Brown doesn't really attack the football or at least not more than Kirk and he's still the best right now.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

His frame is odd to say the least, his arms look a bit short, hes well built yet has stiffness in his hips. Speed is good but not great. Although he makes some spectacular catches i see him double catch more often than id like.

I like Kirk better because he doesnt have any red flags (miller has a foot problem) hes 2 years younger than miller so less tread on his tires. Kirk has better YAC ability and probably the best in this class. They both look to be slot recievers at the next level and i just have less question marks on Kirk than i do Miller. Kirk can do more than miller too as he is a great return man. He looks bigger and more agile than Miller and in my eyes has a higher ceiling.

I don't see better YAC ability, Miller is dangerous with the ball in his hands and his first step leaves guys trailing, he has more explosive and exaggerated cuts where Kirk is very controlled and fluid and wastes no motion but he isn't jumpstepping and making the same hard cuts that Miller is, Kirk can evade tacklers but Miller leaves tacklers looking absolutely foolish at times, Miller has a stiff arm on par with some RBs, and I don't wanna use this as a quantifiable trait here but Miller is a man on a mission when he turns upfield with the ball in his hand, he runs with bad intentions.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Size doesn't matter in the vert. It's about how high your feet are when you jump, basically (they calculate the differential between standing up and the height of the jump).
Literally Kirk has had all his results cruising on his athleticism. Three cone is the only drill I'm not sure, otherwise Kirk takes it all imo and it's not really close.

Brown doesn't really attack the football or at least not more than Kirk and he's still the best right now.

Brown doesn't attack the football, Miller does, which is why I don't even compare Miller to brown(except for specific traits) overall package I see Steve smith every time I watch him, near identical players, with Kirk I see a more athletic Doug Baldwin, and that's with adding to his route game like sharper cuts and choppier feet

 

[DeVito52]

I’m not super high on Kirk. He’s a good returner and good at taking a pass at the LOS and getting YAC, he looks fast and pretty quick, but I see stuff that says he’s the most polished WR in this class. I don’t even think anyone should be allowed to say that. He might be a good WR in the NFL but he belongs on a team like the Saints. Not us. I want a big boy like Sutton to grab Joe’s jump balls or a great route runner with great hands like Miller or Ridley who can get good seperation. Idk I don’t see how Kirk is better than Miller. Still the only real knock anyone has given on Miller is his size and that’s bs because he plays way bigger than he is. He’s got serious potential.

 

[Italian Raven]

Kirk is not even close to Anthony miller, how he gets consideration and hype at 16 but anyone who suggests Miller at that stage is blasted for reaching, is beyond me...

Again, totally agree.
I don't get the Kirk hype at all. It'd be just as bad as picking Perriman for what I've seen so far. And it's not like I'm behaving like I'm the different one on every topic, I want to get it clear, I honestly haven't seen any particular trait that stands up. Like with Shepard.
Let alone the tapes which have been posted at 1.5× speed which make him look a lot faster than he is. I'll certainly get back at it but if there's a least fav players list he's right there on top with Arden Key.