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The WR Thread

rossihunter2 said:
@Jacquouille touched on this with regards to maybe drafting guice but what I thought was interesting was Eric decosta basically confirmed what most of us thought from the beginning i.e. that the strength of the draft for wr is on day 2

The reason I bring that up is because decosta specifically said there were maybe only 1 or 2 wrs who would get taken in the first round...

My question is... who do you guys reckon they are?

Ridley’s one of them I assume but who’s the other... James Washington? Christian Kirk? As much as I’d like it to be Anthony Miller I doubt it’s him...

So who is it?
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Washington or Sutton would be my guess.
 
allblackraven said:
Why fabricate something to have a "balanced" breakdown? Why not find some real shortcomings?
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It's not really fabrication if it is his weakest point in his game. When looking at the draft you have to find the weakest points of a player and magnify them because 9/10 times that is what makes a player fail at competing at the next level. Voch has Ridley highly rated but there is no such thing as a perfect player.
 
Sooky said:
It's not really fabrication if it is his weakest point in his game. When looking at the draft you have to find the weakest points of a player and magnify them because 9/10 times that is what makes a player fail at competing at the next level. Voch has Ridley highly rated but there is no such thing as a perfect player.
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It is total fabrication. Blocking is not Ridley's weak point.
What would his assessment be if he opted to show only his block on Tabor couple years ago? Blocking monster?
 
allblackraven said:
It is total fabrication. Blocking is not Ridley's weak point.
What would his assessment be if he opted to show only his block on Tabor couple years ago? Blocking monster?
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Not to take part in that debate as I haven't really watched Ridley block, but Tabor makes any receiver look like Ogden, he's that bad at getting off blocks.
 
Jacquouille said:
Not to take part in that debate as I haven't really watched Ridley block, but Tabor makes any receiver look like Ogden, he's that bad at getting off blocks.
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Exactly - taking a single play to claim player is good or bad at certain part of the game is a total BS, particularly by someone who couldn't be bothered to produce proper film session, as Lombardi did in this case.
I watched Ridley's every game, lot of them more than once, and that particular aspect of his play is very good. Excellent, actually, considering he is a 6 foot / 85kg guy.
 
allblackraven said:
Exactly - taking a single play to claim player is good or bad at certain part of the game is a total BS, particularly by someone who couldn't be bothered to produce proper film session, as Lombardi did in this case.
I watched Ridley's every game, lot of them more than once, and that particular aspect of his play is very good. Excellent, actually, considering he is a 6 foot / 85kg guy.
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Ah, aight I get it now. Tbh I don't watch Lombardi, I don't really enjoy how he explains stuff.
 
Lol..like when Voch got super excited for Zay Jones on that 'famous' double crossing route as he gave the teammate a high five.
I mean..he was literally talking about that sheet for minutes and used it as a proof of the guy being a great route runner while it was simply a coaching tip to teach positioning/route depth.
He's not bad, but like Joaquille I rather watch full tapes and select those plays I consider important than getting stuck too long on that kind of stuff.
Then of course, it's always fun to hear opinions from someone who has more experience and likely eye than me but I'm taking Brett Kolman every day before Voch
 
RavensMania said:
That would be great, if you’d like to change the title, please do so.
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Oh I think it's more than fine.
Afterall it's not a real draft report as I only wrote about tge things I don't like about Sutton. He can indeed play in the pros and possibly become a weapon but I don't think he'll ever be a dependable #1 target.. just quite disappointed as he's been so long, so incredibly hyped.
 
Italian Raven said:
Oh I think it's more than fine.
Afterall it's not a real draft report as I only wrote about tge things I don't like about Sutton. He can indeed play in the pros and possibly become a weapon but I don't think he'll ever be a dependable #1 target.. just quite disappointed as he's been so long, so incredibly hyped.
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Np, hope you will play the Forum mock
 
Italian Raven said:
Lol..like when Voch got super excited for Zay Jones on that 'famous' double crossing route as he gave the teammate a high five.
I mean..he was literally talking about that sheet for minutes and used it as a proof of the guy being a great route runner while it was simply a coaching tip to teach positioning/route depth.
He's not bad, but like Joaquille I rather watch full tapes and select those plays I consider important than getting stuck too long on that kind of stuff.
Then of course, it's always fun to hear opinions from someone who has more experience and likely eye than me but I'm taking Brett Kolman every day before Voch
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Matt Waldman is the guy I'm taking as a draft guy. But I do respect Kolman.
 
Italian Raven said:
Yup. Waldman is my second favourite.. He also brings in some good scouts or opinionists to discuss prospects with.
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I like Waldman because often he points out/breaks down a single trait/ability instead of the whole film. Voch is a great guy, but I only watch his OL or DL videos. This is his forte.
 
Italian Raven said:
Yup. Waldman is my second favourite.. He also brings in some good scouts or opinionists to discuss prospects with.
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I like Waldman as well, enjoy listening to the scouts he brings on. Glad he now has the shorter clips. Yrs ago all he had were the hour scouting clips
 
RavensMania said:
I like Waldman as well, enjoy listening to the scouts he brings on. Glad he now has the shorter clips. Yrs ago all he had were the hour scouting clips
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God that is sooo true. :D
I just went back to the Kollmann channel.. Didn't realize it was such a long time I haven't watched any of his vids.. He probably posted his last scouting reports 2 years ago.
Still, very insightful on nfl team playcalling and stuff like that.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Robinson was playing like a shutdown cornerback b4 his drama. And I’m not talking coddled and used as part of doubling a WR like Humph is used a lot. He was thrown to the wolves during a lost season to see what he has got. And he dominated some No. 1 receivers. Then his drama issues showed up in the mirror. He is only 23 yet. If he grows up he will be quite a steal. He has natural skills that can’t be taught. Ask mike Evans. And I promise you it will be a while if ever b4 Humph is ever played a complete game man up on a top7 Wide Receiver.
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He does have age and therefore time on his side. That being said, he appeared to have a tough time throughout his rookie season, often lunging at a single shoulder while in press instead of staying square, thereby allowing a clean release to the opposite side and essentially forcing himself to have to recover. His footwork was alarmingly unsettled, which didn't help with keeping up with the change of direction at the stem of the route.

Let's look the game against Tampa Bay mentioned above. Robinson was on the field for 28 snaps, a meager 10 of them on Evans. On their first encounter, lines up in press, tries to push Evans backwards solely through Evans' left half, an almost impossible task from a leverage standpoint, losing him in the process, engaging in chase mode, and losing him again for what could've been an easy first down for Jameis Winston (Link1). On their next play, he doesn't lunge, but he does switch to a receiver stance, bringing back his left leg which willfully vacates the inside. He then holds Evans prior to the stem, wherein Evans follows by brushing him off and finding himself open for 12 yards (Link2). To Robinson's credit, he covers Evans well during their next engagement in the end zone, being significantly more patient and settled (Link3). He does a solid job staying with Evans on the following play but fails to turn his head (A common thread on tape), and allowing cushion on the comeback which is then overthrown (Link4). This is exploited two plays later by Russell Shepard, who beats him cleanly on the press and stacks him, forcing Robinson to trail and then lose Shepard again on comeback, good for 13 yards (Link5). Four plays later, he hesitates on the sell by Shepard, allowing an uncontested inside lane after the stutter, and surrendering his first TD of the afternoon (Link6). Within that span, it should be noted that Robinson covered Evans generally well for a few snaps; however, he was then roasted on what should've been a 26 yard TD that is overthrown by Winston (Link7). This was the second of two incompletions thrown in his direction. Three plays later, he's beaten on the press and is unable to recover despite the bump by Gerald Hodges, allowing an uncontested jump ball to Evans in the end zone (Link8). He finished their saga with a 12 yard completion on the play after, holding Evans prior to the stem on the out route while never turning his head, with Evans easily shaking loose at the break point.

Statistically, he gave up 5 catches on 7 targets for 61 yards and 2 TDs without getting his hand on the ball once. And this was an afternoon that should've been even worse. I'd almost feel as if I'm nitpicking a single game of many, but this specific contest the game brought up as a banner example of a shutdown performer. In all honesty, it's difficult to fathom how this specific performance could be glamorized considering that by all accounts, not only was the technique notably sloppy all around, but if not for missed reads and overthrows, Robinson would've came away with allowing 3 uncontested TDs on the afternoon. Again, I do have to emphasize that this doesn't necessarily define his career or upside moving forward. But this was arguably a direct antitheses to an example of a sound performance, nevermind a shutdown CB.
 
Truth said:
He does have age and therefore time on his side. That being said, he appeared to have a tough time throughout his rookie season, often lunging at a single shoulder while in press instead of staying square, thereby allowing a clean release to the opposite side and essentially forcing himself to have to recover. His footwork was alarmingly unsettled, which didn't help with keeping up with the change of direction at the stem of the route.

Let's look the game against Tampa Bay mentioned above. Robinson was on the field for 28 snaps, a meager 10 of them on Evans. On their first encounter, lines up in press, tries to push Evans backwards solely through Evans' left half, an almost impossible task from a leverage standpoint, losing him in the process, engaging in chase mode, and losing him again for what could've been an easy first down for Jameis Winston (Link1). On their next play, he doesn't lunge, but he does switch to a receiver stance, bringing back his left leg which willfully vacates the inside. He then holds Evans prior to the stem, wherein Evans follows by brushing him off and finding himself open for 12 yards (Link2). To Robinson's credit, he covers Evans well during their next engagement in the end zone, being significantly more patient and settled (Link3). He does a solid job staying with Evans on the following play but fails to turn his head (A common thread on tape), and allowing cushion on the comeback which is then overthrown (Link4). This is exploited two plays later by Russell Shepard, who beats him cleanly on the press and stacks him, forcing Robinson to trail and then lose Shepard again on comeback, good for 13 yards (Link5). Four plays later, he hesitates on the sell by Shepard, allowing an uncontested inside lane after the stutter, and surrendering his first TD of the afternoon (Link6). Within that span, it should be noted that Robinson covered Evans generally well for a few snaps; however, he was then roasted on what should've been a 26 yard TD that is overthrown by Winston (Link7). This was the second of two incompletions thrown in his direction. Three plays later, he's beaten on the press and is unable to recover despite the bump by Gerald Hodges, allowing an uncontested jump ball to Evans in the end zone (Link8). He finished their saga with a 12 yard completion on the play after, holding Evans prior to the stem on the out route while never turning his head, with Evans easily shaking loose at the break point.

Statistically, he gave up 5 catches on 7 targets for 61 yards and 2 TDs without getting his hand on the ball once. And this was an afternoon that should've been even worse. I'd almost feel as if I'm nitpicking a single game of many, but this specific contest the game brought up as a banner example of a shutdown performer. In all honesty, it's difficult to fathom how this specific performance could be glamorized considering that by all accounts, not only was the technique notably sloppy all around, but if not for missed reads and overthrows, Robinson would've came away with allowing 3 uncontested TDs on the afternoon. Again, I do have to emphasize that this doesn't necessarily define his career or upside moving forward. But this was arguably a direct antitheses to an example of a sound performance, nevermind a shutdown CB.
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I believe that was the game where he began losing focus and playing like he was never coached. I do believe if he plays for a coach that gets him straight he could be great. I’m not sure about his intelect. If he is smart enough to grow up and coach up. But his raw athleticism and ball compass is top shelf. If he is a 6 wonderlic it would be a waste lol.
 
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