flynismo
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Better late than never though
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Joe Flacco
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Tru11
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its pretty much more a case of not being able to utilize the help that has been brought in over the years rather then not bringing in help at all.
its pretty much a guaranteed that if the passing game sucks balls again , people will still cry about not bringing in help ignoring how pumped up they where when that same help was brought in before the season.
before the season: crabs is great and is going to help alot , just what flacco needs.
during the season: he sucks , why did we sign him.
after the season: we never bring in any help and only sign washed up players....
its pretty much a guaranteed that if the passing game sucks balls again , people will still cry about not bringing in help ignoring how pumped up they where when that same help was brought in before the season.
before the season: crabs is great and is going to help alot , just what flacco needs.
during the season: he sucks , why did we sign him.
after the season: we never bring in any help and only sign washed up players....
JoeyFlex5
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So just to be clear... we have given flacco all he needs? The FO and coaches are once again blameless and perfect and the players and fans are all pieces of shit?
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JoeyFlex5
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i mean its a recurring theme with you, every fan except for you is wrong and everything goes wrong because "players dont execute".if that is what you want to believe then go ahead.
it aint my words nor believes so
Tru11
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the only recurring theme is you generalization things and putting words in other people mouth.
i agree with plenty and i disagree with plenty.
i simply dont agree with you saying that the FO has not giving flacco what he needs.
hilariously you even dont agree with yourself.
i mean you started the maclin thread and all.
nothing but praise by you and quite a few here for the FO for bringing him in and giving flacco help and what not.
shit did not work out and its all of a sudden the FO never brought in help lol.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
we have tried but certainly not tried enough, and have been morons with our efforts. maclin was a disappointment and nobody couldve known he was just done with football but they made an effort there, of course it was the same level of effort theyve always made by signing an older wr short term which clearly is never enough. looking at drafts past, its pretty obvious that their only real effort was a fucking stupid one. best thing they did for flacco was draft ronnie stanley, then they tried one band aid after another. they tried like albert haynesworth tried. they gave shit efforts to give him WRs, boldin, torrey, perriman, were the only real strong efforts to get flacco a wr, we traded one, let the other walk, and the third shouldnt have been drafted in the first place and everyone but our FO knew it.
the ravens have been outdated in their approach and have only given half assed efforts to give flacco targets, sure, they gave efforts, but half assed ones.
redrum52
Hall of Famer
I just think his point is everyone says we dont help Flacco, but the FO tries... They're just not good at it. People may like the moves now, but we honestly have no idea if they will pan out in the end. People act like offense is neglected, but moves are made.
Tru11
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The Ravens have put bare minimum in and shockingly have gotten bare mininum out.
Tru11
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anything that supports this myth?
Taze
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Yup during Flacco's career he's gotten the least help of any franchise QB in that span. The FO gave him quality surrounding talent once, we won that year
Lets look at the 8 Ravens drafts since Flacco. I'll focus on 1st 2 rounds as those are the building block players. 6 offensive players (Oher, KO, Stanley, Torrie, Perriman, MW) 10 defensive players.
I could go to 3 rounds and it won't improve (though it would make me ask if a 3rd round comp pick should be a 3rd or 4th round pick).
The Ravens built their offense with scraps from later and players who were cut from other teams (as in other teams reject pile). It is provable fact and I don't get how its up for debate.
BloodRaven
Pro Bowler
It didnt help that a lot of the offensive players we drafted never panned out, we didnt build with scraps by design sometimes you have to make lemonade out of lemons like other franchize QBs.
Tru11
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How can you get it when you go by what only fits your argument?
Not to mention when you guys cant stick to your opinion.
I mean none of you where calling Maclin scraps or other teams reject pile last season.
He was the help you guys wanted and he was brought in which pretty destroys the myth that the FO does not get any help.
Heck i love how you think that only the draft is the way to bring in help neglecting FA and trades....
Plenty of trades made on offense and FA brought in.
Even that of the draft is a myth.
From 2008 till now we are actually tied in speding picks in round 1 or 2 on offense.
Not to mention its pretty much contracts handed out on offense that have been crippling our cap throughout the years.
The team has handed out contracts to keep players aboard on offense.
Made trades, signed FA and used the draft.
To say they have done nothing is just ignoring the facts.
They have done as much as they could.
Shit simply did not work out.
The draft is where you build your franchise for the future. I could have gone 3 rounds and it would have had the same ratio but I figured 2 rounds was better to show where the focus was and yes Maclin was scraps, Wallace was scraps, even SSS was scraps. Just because they had something left in the tank does not mean they were not rejects from another team.
Every year the Steelers seem to be picking another weapon for Ben despite the fact that they have so many and that is because they are focused on it. They give him a chance to be good because all a QB needs is a few good weapons to be good. People thought Eli was done 3 years ago then ODB came along, people thought Ben had lost it then he got Bell and Brown. Once a QB gets his tools he can look all pro.
Grim
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Flacco could be gone next year and I think we should all hope for that to be honest because it would likely mean a couple of things:
1.) Jackson is ready and looks good
2.) We can recover from cap Hell
3.) We can recoup that 2nd round pick we lost
4.) The 2nd round pick we gave up is now close to a 3rd round pick rather than a mid 2nd or at worst early 2nd borderline 1st.
I wouldn’t bank on Flacco being gone, though; however, it does appear to be a solid plan we could potentially execute since the next QB class does not seem to be anywhere near as strong as it was this year in both the Draft and FA. That could be huge for us and Joe if he is smart and actually puts in work and if Jackson also is a quick learner. They key variables here are that both Jackson must be ready and Joe should have a good enough year to not look like trash. Say what you want but teams will pay for even him if he looks good enough despite the history.
1.) Jackson is ready and looks good
2.) We can recover from cap Hell
3.) We can recoup that 2nd round pick we lost
4.) The 2nd round pick we gave up is now close to a 3rd round pick rather than a mid 2nd or at worst early 2nd borderline 1st.
I wouldn’t bank on Flacco being gone, though; however, it does appear to be a solid plan we could potentially execute since the next QB class does not seem to be anywhere near as strong as it was this year in both the Draft and FA. That could be huge for us and Joe if he is smart and actually puts in work and if Jackson also is a quick learner. They key variables here are that both Jackson must be ready and Joe should have a good enough year to not look like trash. Say what you want but teams will pay for even him if he looks good enough despite the history.
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Tru11
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Another case of believing in some myth and not checking for actual facts.
Steelers have spend 2 2nd round picks since flacco got drafted on skill position players: Juju and bell.
Ravens have spend a 1st and a 2nd on Perriman and Maxx in the same time span.
We have actually spend more going by facts.
Brown was a 6th round pick.
Ravens have spend plenty of late picks on skill position players.
Matter of fact they have spend more the steelers.
From 2009 till now:
Steelers 22 players
Ravens 27 players.
You count 2008 as well and its:
Steelers 24
Ravens 31 .
So this Steelers have done more crap can be put to rest.
The giants havent even spend 20 picks since 2008 on skill position players on offense.
BTW If you think tools are the only difference between flacco and all pro QBs like brady and brees then well there really isent much to discuss.
I like how you managed to use both hyperbolic nonsense about Brady and Brees who I didn't even mention in my post and change the argument to pretend late round are picks you build a franchise around. I cited Bell and Brown not as investing in higher round picks, but as an example of how a few good weapons can change a QB from being considered done to being considered a pro bowl QB again.
The main reason I used the Steelers is because they HAD weapons during that timespan, they were not sitting on a nothing WR core and yet they still keep pouring resources into it. The Ravens are sitting on nothing and by your own admission are investing the exact same amount. If you are investing the same amount into a position that you are weak at as a team that is strong at that position is, how are you going to improve it in any meaningful way.
Tru11
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You brought up the all pro dude.
Those guys are all pro qbs.
Dont bring that shit up if you dont want to talk about it.
At no point before bell and brown got drafted was ben considerd done.
Lots of bs based on nothing that you are suggesting here.
Also the steelers actually did build their passing game around a 6th round pick , so there is that.
When the steelers had weapons they poured 0 high picks into those positions.
When they drafted Bell they had no weapon at the RB position.
When they drafted JuJu all they had was Brown.
The only reason the ravens are sitting on nothing is because they drafted busts and cant develop players.
This does not change the fact that they have indeed poured more resources into those positions compared to the steelers which is the discussion.
The ravens have used more resources.
The steelers did a better job.
Also lets not forget that they have been luckier then us when it comes to injuries and off the field BS we got themselves into.
Pitta, Taliefero, pierce, waller , boyle, maxx, perriman, dixon, gilmore and a lot more all either getting injured or get suspensded cut which pretty much hurt their development our destroy their careers before it even started.
flacco has been let down more by his teammates the the FO tbh.
If only more where like alex collins who made the most out of the chance he has gotten.....
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