Joe Flacco

[Grim]

it's also dependent on their cap spaces
the interest will be high because all those teams likely know that joe wont be on our roster - so they know that we have a little less leverage in that sense because we will just cut him

and the teams with the most cap space will be fine waiting it out or offering lower draft picks and seeing if we cut him because they can win a bidding war and hopefully not give away draft capital

the teams with less cap space will be really intrigued by the 18.5m no guaranteed money cap hit and salary and that will hopefully increase the value of a potential pick

ironically the biggest help to joe's trade value is the fact that the 2019 qb draft class is utterly awful

Yeah that’s how I see it and I also wouldn’t completely rule out a dark horse candidate in there as well. I think the draft class looking like crap and teams not wanting to get into a competition over signing him in FA Zane end up paying more money. I know people will think his contract and the fact that we’ve tipped our hand in our intentions to keep him will degrade his value but I don’t think that is true. The Chiefs pretty much telegraphed their intentions yet got good compensation. Granted Smith played more but I think they’re both very comparable.

 

[flynismo]

You actually have no idea how hard Bucs fans are on this bandwagon. Like, you say this all as a meme, but they truly believe Harbaugh is their next coach.

I think Harbs would be absolutely great for them. But they're putting the horse before the cart. Unless we miss the playoffs somehow this year (and it wouldn't shock any of us if we found a way), I don't see Harbs being available any time soon.

 

[Dom McRaven]

We're moving on from Flacco.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...s-information-news/1m3ssymrq33l616tr0f5hgp44v

And, the Redskins, Bengals, Broncos, Buccaneers and the Jaguars are being mentioned as a potential landing spot for him:

https://fansided.com/2018/12/12/5-possible-new-teams-joe-flacco-2019/5/

I was surprised to see Tampa in the listing. I hadn't thought about them. Lol!

Surprised to see the Bucs? I'm surprised to see the Bengals on this list. Are they even thinking of cutting Dalton? LOL.

 

[flynismo]

Surprised to see the Bucs? I'm surprised to see the Bengals on this list. Are they even thinking of cutting Dalton? LOL.

They should keep both Dalton and Flacco.

Dalton puts up good stats in the regular season, Flacco morphs into fucking Percy Jackson in the post season. Let Dalton get them to the playoffs, and then sits his ass down and let Flacco take over from there.

 

[Dom McRaven]

They should keep both Dalton and Flacco.

Dalton puts up good stats in the regular season, Flacco morphs into fucking Percy Jackson in the post season. Let Dalton get them to the playoffs, and then sits his ass down and let Flacco take over from there.

 

[3-4ravdef509]

If the Giants decide to kick Manning , which they’ve been back and forth in it seems, Flacco would thrive with the Giants I think. Denver is a good fit too, Jacksonville maybe although I’m unsure about if their coach will be around or not next year.

 

[Grim]

Why do people think Harbaugh is under a “Playoffs or Bust” mandate for this year? Is it because you want him gone or because of the JLC report or something else? Genuine question here because Steve said at his presser that if he was going to give such a mandate then he may as well fire him back then and obviously didn’t. I would really like to understand this thinking because I hear it a lot but it kind of goes against what I know from what I heard first hand from the owner.

No sarcasm but wondering if I’m missing something.

 

[rossihunter2]

Why do people think Harbaugh is under a “Playoffs or Bust” mandate for this year? Is it because you want him gone or because of the JLC report or something else? Genuine question here because Steve said at his presser that if he was going to give such a mandate then he may as well fire him back then and obviously didn’t. I would really like to understand this thinking because I hear it a lot but it kind of goes against what I know from what I heard first hand from the owner.

No sarcasm but wondering if I’m missing something.

it's not about a mandate or an ultimatum or anything (and im still not sure whether he gets fired or not) but i think for many its a decision that will be dictated partially by the end results of the season but not for any preset/pre-established reason before the season

it was never playoffs or bust in those terms but it might end up that way - certainly when joe was the qb i think it was more that the season was playing out the same way as it has done almost every year since the 2013 season and that indicated that it was time for a change - the lamar takeover has changed things considerably and thrown into doubt the end result in my eyes

but i can very easily envision a playoffs or bust scenario for harbs's job security

 

[balfan23]

Why do people think Harbaugh is under a “Playoffs or Bust” mandate for this year? Is it because you want him gone or because of the JLC report or something else? Genuine question here because Steve said at his presser that if he was going to give such a mandate then he may as well fire him back then and obviously didn’t. I would really like to understand this thinking because I hear it a lot but it kind of goes against what I know from what I heard first hand from the owner.

No sarcasm but wondering if I’m missing something.

Steve is smart in his handling of this team and did not want to paint himself into a corner by issuing an ultimatum. He also said he did consider firing him last year which clearly indicates he expects better than what he’s seen the past couple years. And where were they these past couple years? Inches from making the playoffs. I think it’s logical to conclude this became an unstated playoff or bust situation.

I’ve felt there may be only one way for Harbaugh to miss the playoffs and keep his job and that’s by playing Lamar. He is the future and if ownership has the sense that he’s developing under the current staff then Steve May decide to retain him. A season off the rails that is put back on track with their future QB and just falls short may save him. But the contract situation does cloud things.

 

[Grim]

it's not about a mandate or an ultimatum or anything (and im still not sure whether he gets fired or not) but i think for many its a decision that will be dictated partially by the end results of the season but not for any preset/pre-established reason before the season

it was never playoffs or bust in those terms but it might end up that way - certainly when joe was the qb i think it was more that the season was playing out the same way as it has done almost every year since the 2013 season and that indicated that it was time for a change - the lamar takeover has changed things considerably and thrown into doubt the end result in my eyes

but i can very easily envision a playoffs or bust scenario for harbs's job security

I see quite a bit of people saying it’s “Playoffs or Bust” or at the very least implying it. It’s an extremely common narrative here. I can make my way through many threads and find these posts to show you if you’d like but I promise they’re here. Maybe you don’t see it as this scenario, but those are the people I’m talking to in this case. I’m really trying to understand their specific perspective because I think it mostly stems from just wanting to be rid of John more than anything tangible. If that’s the case it’s fine I just find it misleading to claim it’s playoffs or bust.

I have always maintained it’ll be a sum and not the individual circumstances that decide his fate here. I think he’s personally earned and shown why he should stay after being 50/50 from the start of the season. Lamar has, in my eyes, redeemed him somewhat.

 

[allblackraven]

Why do people think Harbaugh is under a “Playoffs or Bust” mandate for this year? Is it because you want him gone or because of the JLC report or something else? Genuine question here because Steve said at his presser that if he was going to give such a mandate then he may as well fire him back then and obviously didn’t. I would really like to understand this thinking because I hear it a lot but it kind of goes against what I know from what I heard first hand from the owner.

No sarcasm but wondering if I’m missing something.

Because he is likely to have 4th season in a row his team not making playoffs.
Because Lamar, Zeus Jr, G. Edwards have exposed Harbaugh's backward thinking as far as rookies go.
Because any coach worth his while wouldn't even consider staying for a lame duck season.

 

[Grim]

Steve is smart in his handling of this team and did not want to paint himself into a corner by issuing an ultimatum. He also said he did consider firing him last year which clearly indicates he expects better than what he’s seen the past couple years. And where were they these past couple years? Inches from making the playoffs. I think it’s logical to conclude this became an unstated playoff or bust situation.

I’ve felt there may be only one way for Harbaugh to miss the playoffs and keep his job and that’s by playing Lamar. He is the future and if ownership has the sense that he’s developing under the current staff then Steve May decide to retain him. A season off the rails that is put back on track with their future QB and just falls short may save him. But the contract situation does cloud things.

Yeah and I can see that perspective but my rebuttal would be Steve was probably frustrated with situational issues rather than malingering ones. Hard to say since I’m not him and we don’t go golfing so I’ll admit ignorance there. I just don’t think John’s fate has been decided and I am not sure missing the playoffs gets him fired. I find the situation far more complex than that.

 

[Cville-Raven]

I don’t see Harbs going anywhere especially after bringing along a rookie QB.

 

[rossihunter2]

I see quite a bit of people saying it’s “Playoffs or Bust” or at the very least implying it. It’s an extremely common narrative here. I can make my way through many threads and find these posts to show you if you’d like but I promise they’re here. Maybe you don’t see it as this scenario, but those are the people I’m talking to in this case. I’m really trying to understand their specific perspective because I think it mostly stems from just wanting to be rid of John more than anything tangible. If that’s the case it’s fine I just find it misleading to claim it’s playoffs or bust.

I have always maintained it’ll be a sum and not the individual circumstances that decide his fate here. I think he’s personally earned and shown why he should stay after being 50/50 from the start of the season. Lamar has, in my eyes, redeemed him somewhat.

im agreeing that its a perfectly rational position for people to take

im not saying that's not what people are saying - what i am saying that it can be a playoffs or bust scenario without the ultimatum or mandate of it being playoffs or bust actually existing...

steve doesnt want to give john that ultimatum fine - but given the position we are in this season i think its perfectly reasonable to suspect that the outcome (i.e. whether harbs is fired) depends on getting to the playoffs or not... im not saying that's what will happen but i think its a perfectly reasonable position for people to take...

i think its important to remember that we've been 8-6 and in control of our own destiny in 2013, 2016, 2017 and now 2018 in all previous cases we've missed the playoffs

ironically in 2014 the 1 year we've made the playoffs since the superbowl we actually were not in control of our own destiny at the end and relied on the chiefs winning to get us in

ultimately the manner of how we miss the playoffs will determine for me whether harbs stays or goes but you could just as easily read that as a playoffs or bust scenario...

 

[Grim]

im agreeing that its a perfectly rational position for people to take

im not saying that's not what people are saying - what i am saying that it can be a playoffs or bust scenario without the ultimatum or mandate of it being playoffs or bust actually existing...

steve doesnt want to give john that ultimatum fine - but given the position we are in this season i think its perfectly reasonable to suspect that the outcome (i.e. whether harbs is fired) depends on getting to the playoffs or not... im not saying that's what will happen but i think its a perfectly reasonable position for people to take...

i think its important to remember that we've been 8-6 and in control of our own destiny in 2013, 2016, 2017 and now 2018 in all previous cases we've missed the playoffs

ironically in 2014 the 1 year we've made the playoffs since the superbowl we actually were not in control of our own destiny at the end and relied on the chiefs winning to get us in

ultimately the manner of how we miss the playoffs will determine for me whether harbs stays or goes but you could just as easily read that as a playoffs or bust scenario...

It does kind of sound like “Playoffs or Bust”. For me it’s more than making or missing the playoffs but it’s how and the circumstances. As for whether it’s rational or reasonable, I can see how people could conclude that but when taking Steve’s comments into context I think it’s more likely John is fired based on the holistic view of the season to include nuances. I think those nuances cost him more than missing the playoffs. If we considered firing John then he should go whether he makes the playoffs or Super Bowl. That’s how I see it.

I think what did it for me is seeing the team continue to fight for John. That’s the big thing that swayed me one way or the other. Also what the coaching staff did with raw Lamar who needed some work. The training wheels should be eased off now, though, but that’s another discussion.

 

[rossihunter2]

It does kind of sound like “Playoffs or Bust”. For me it’s more than making or missing the playoffs but it’s how and the circumstances. As for whether it’s rational or reasonable, I can see how people could conclude that but when taking Steve’s comments into context I think it’s more likely John is fired based on the holistic view of the season to include nuances. I think those nuances cost him more than missing the playoffs. If we considered firing John then he should go whether he makes the playoffs or Super Bowl. That’s how I see it.

I think what did it for me is seeing the team continue to fight for John. That’s the big thing that swayed me one way or the other. Also what the coaching staff did with raw Lamar who needed some work. The training wheels should be eased off now, though, but that’s another discussion.

yes but all those people who are saying it's playoffs or bust are not necessarily wrong... it's just a simplified idea based on what's already happened so far this year, the position we are in currently etc. ultimately the idea of playoffs or bust at this point is coming from the idea that missing the playoffs would have to see us choke again and that's for most people the final straw in terms of harbs staying

the minutiae and nuances that you're talking about are of course important - crucial even but narratively they tie into the idea
if you make the playoffs it solves one of the major issues of this team the last 4 years which is not being able to finish and choking... that's why the outcome of playoffs or no-playoffs are so important

and that's why the playoffs or bust narrative could well be right at this point because of how the season has gone

 

[RavensMania]

*Ronald Jones III becomes Ray Rice 2.0*
*The Buccs defense stays healthy for once*

I could see the Buccs making a power play. Especially if Brees retires after possibly winning a ring this year. I think Flacco has regressed, but we really have done the guy no favors, and even then he has games that suggest that he could still win a ring in the right situation. He had the WR corps this year, but that interior oline killed whatever chance of a running game this team had before we put Lamar in. I know that a common argument is that "why does Flacco need everything. Aaron Rodgers does more with less". FLACCO WON A SUPER BOWL WITH THOSE THINGS. That's what set him apart from the Daltons of the world. Injuries plus.... Just sheer offensive neglect broke the guy here. If there's any QB in the NFL that could succeed with a change of scenery, it's him and Derek Carr.


*Ravens trade Flacco to Oakland*
*Oakland does not learn from the Carson Palmer trade*
*Becomes this generation's Herschel Walker trade*
*Gruden and Flacco mutually derp their way into their $100 million contracts*

Davis can only pay 100 million pesos

 

[RavensMania]

it's not about a mandate or an ultimatum or anything (and im still not sure whether he gets fired or not) but i think for many its a decision that will be dictated partially by the end results of the season but not for any preset/pre-established reason before the season

it was never playoffs or bust in those terms but it might end up that way - certainly when joe was the qb i think it was more that the season was playing out the same way as it has done almost every year since the 2013 season and that indicated that it was time for a change - the lamar takeover has changed things considerably and thrown into doubt the end result in my eyes

but i can very easily envision a playoffs or bust scenario for harbs's job security

I don't think it's a playoffs or bust scenario, I think it's about his contract. He has one more year left on his contract and no coach goes into the lame duck season. That and Harbaugh not wanting another one year contract.

 

[Grim]

yes but all those people who are saying it's playoffs or bust are not necessarily wrong... it's just a simplified idea based on what's already happened so far this year, the position we are in currently etc. ultimately the idea of playoffs or bust at this point is coming from the idea that missing the playoffs would have to see us choke again and that's for most people the final straw in terms of harbs staying

the minutiae and nuances that you're talking about are of course important - crucial even but narratively they tie into the idea
if you make the playoffs it solves one of the major issues of this team the last 4 years which is not being able to finish and choking... that's why the outcome of playoffs or no-playoffs are so important

and that's why the playoffs or bust narrative could well be right at this point because of how the season has gone

Eh I guess but I’m not going to agree with it. I’ll agree with people like @allblackraven who are upset with John over his penchant to play veterans over rookies. That’s a very valid complaint but this narrative of “Playoffs or Bust” is just too generalised for me. That’s why I appreciate what he says because I don’t think he (allblackraven) cares if we make the playoffs or not he wants John gone. I don’t agree but I appreciate his opinion.

I guess others’ comments may shed more insight for me.

 

[ravenslord]

it's not about a mandate or an ultimatum or anything (and im still not sure whether he gets fired or not) but i think for many its a decision that will be dictated partially by the end results of the season but not for any preset/pre-established reason before the season

it was never playoffs or bust in those terms but it might end up that way - certainly when joe was the qb i think it was more that the season was playing out the same way as it has done almost every year since the 2013 season and that indicated that it was time for a change - the lamar takeover has changed things considerably and thrown into doubt the end result in my eyes

but i can very easily envision a playoffs or bust scenario for harbs's job security

I think the fact that Lamar should be 5-0(except for defense 4th and 9 play) and Joe was 4-5 will convince Biscotti to keep Harbaugh no matter what happens the rest of the season.

I'm not saying this is the right move but I think Biscotti will give Harbaugh a full year with Lamar before making a decision based on the teams performance with Lamar this year.

At the half way point with Flacco , I thought Harbaugh was as good as gone. You could look at Harbaugh's face and he seemed he even knew it.