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TheCity5 said:
I don’t think you can absolve either side of blame. I definitely think Joe is really playing poorly at the moment and playing himself out of Baltimore, but you cannot ignore just how poorly of a job the OC is doing. There is more to a OC then calling the plays, it’s gameplanning, creativity or taking what the defense gives you. This is most obviously seen in the Lamar Jackson plays where I’m just dumbfounded by some of the calls. I mean against the Saints we’re at their 18 and you call a 5 yard pass play to John Brown short of the 1st down? You’re in Tucker’s range anyways why not make a play for the 1st? Why play for the FG there? Why on Earth would you run that play play when you weren’t backed up all that much? Also the runs with Lamar has been incredibly predictable and that falls on Marty more then anyone else. It’s been a lot of outside zone and the defense sees it coming from a mile away. I don’t think you need to look at Joe himself to see that Marty has been eerily predictable and has lacked creativity in his play calling because we’re seeing it with Lamar at QB. I think the issues at OC are just as bad if not worse then QB.
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you honestly think that brown was the only receiver running a route on that particular play?
 
Tru11 said:
you honestly think that brown was the only receiver running a route on that particular play?
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No one thinks that but it seems to me that it was a one read throw. I don’t think they asked Lamar to go through his progressions and if they did it doesn’t make sense, why not run that play with Joe?
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Oh yeah, I wanted Goff something fierce if he started to slip. Wentz would have also been a really nice pickup.

I'm just really glad the FO had the guts to trade up for a quarterback. Even if Lamar doesn't pan out, and I certainly think he can if he continues to refine his mechanics (which admittedly is SUPER difficult at the NFL level), I'm glad the FO the Ravens didn't just sit pat with the pile of garbage they've been putting out offensively lately.
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fair play to the front office - the first year in the last 3-4 years that a qb is in range for us to pick up and they go and get him - the only other qb who ever got close to in range was deshaun watson in 2017 (and im not sure if we were interested but there was no way we were outbidding the texans either way)

and looking at lamar's mechanics - they are already obviously so much better - as james urban said earlier this week it's more about repetitions and consistency for lamar's action now
 
TheCity5 said:
No one thinks that but it seems to me that it was a one read throw. I don’t think they asked Lamar to go through his progressions and if they did it doesn’t make sense, why not run that play with Joe?
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but how do you know if it where a 1 read throw play?
dude has the wheels to run if nothing is open.

its not like running it with joe would guaranteed a different result anyways if it where a one read throw lol
 
rossihunter2 said:
fair play to the front office - the first year in the last 3-4 years that a qb is in range for us to pick up and they go and get him - the only other qb who ever got close to in range was deshaun watson in 2017 (and im not sure if we were interested but there was no way we were outbidding the texans either way)

and looking at lamar's mechanics - they are already obviously so much better - as james urban said earlier this week it's more about repetitions and consistency for lamar's action now
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You have to like how Lamar has improved through the course of the season from when he was drafted to the preseason to now. It’s a nice progression and it shows actual work being put in by the QB. It’s very refreshing to see. He gives you hope that he can resurrect things although he still has a ways to go to become the guy. I’m not sure Lamar is better than Joe right now because that sounds a bit absurd but I can tell he’s read defenses well and looked like he went through his progressions.
 
TheCity5 said:
I don’t think you can absolve either side of blame. I definitely think Joe is really playing poorly at the moment and playing himself out of Baltimore, but you cannot ignore just how poorly of a job the OC is doing. There is more to a OC then calling the plays, it’s gameplanning, creativity or taking what the defense gives you. This is most obviously seen in the Lamar Jackson plays where I’m just dumbfounded by some of the calls. I mean against the Saints we’re at their 18 and you call a 5 yard pass play to John Brown short of the 1st down? You’re in Tucker’s range anyways why not make a play for the 1st? Why play for the FG there? Why on Earth would you run that play play when you weren’t backed up all that much? Also the runs with Lamar has been incredibly predictable and that falls on Marty more then anyone else. It’s been a lot of outside zone and the defense sees it coming from a mile away. I don’t think you need to look at Joe himself to see that Marty has been eerily predictable and has lacked creativity in his play calling because we’re seeing it with Lamar at QB. I think the issues at OC are just as bad if not worse then QB.
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dude the lamar plays have been some of the most effective running plays in our playbook especially near the goalline and they've consistently created open receivers too in the passing game - those lamar plays have almost all been good calls and when they've been bad its mostly bad execution - there's only one lamar play i remember hating as a call which was a designed run to the right behind the whole offensive line but with no RPO, play-action or threat to do anything but run to the right and it naturally got blown up behind the LoS because our OL is not a good run-blocking unit...

now where i agree with you more generally is that the gameplanning from marty overall is so devoid of creativity - the ravens offence has been at its best this year in the scripted plays and the hurry-up/2 minute drill which is where marty's not doing any in-game playcalling really - it's either pre-planned or it's more of joe at the LoS calling - it's like marty scripts a good set of plays vs the defence and then goes back into his normal playcalling after that

but as bad as marty's been he's called lots of plays that have got wrs open for conversions or big plays all over the game film all year (and particularly the last 3-4 weeks) and joe's consistently made bad reads, made the wrong read, put the ball in the wrong spot etc. which is unsustainable

the long and short of it is that i hope both are gone this offseason at this current rate but if i were to assign responsibility for the problem i'd lean towards joe as the main problem much more than i do to marty
 
Grim said:
You have to like how Lamar has improved through the course of the season from when he was drafted to the preseason to now. It’s a nice progression and it shows actual work being put in by the QB. It’s very refreshing to see. He gives you hope that he can resurrect things although he still has a ways to go to become the guy. I’m not sure Lamar is better than Joe right now because that sounds a bit absurd but I can tell he’s read defenses well and looked like he went through his progressions.
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i want to see more than 1 series from lamar but im tempted to make that bold call and say he's a better qb than joe at this point

lamar has improved so much which is pleasing but what's most pleasing is he's clearly improved his mechanics and footwork which are the things he was most obviously in need of development in at college (and through the offseason) - and while he's improved the specifics of his technique he hasnt regressed in any of the intangibles he seemed to have in college which is reading high-low on vertical read patterns, going through his progressions and making good choices

and the other thing he's clearly improved through the year is his ball fakes - they are straight up nasty now - the number of times the announcers have been faked by lamar this year about who has the ball is ridiculous and he reads the keyed defender so well
 
So I’m not sure if it’s true but someone just called into 1057 The Fan and said he was at the Ravens facility yesterday and came out on crutches. Sounds a bit far fetched to me but I guess we’ll see
 
allblackraven said:
Who's he?
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Who’s who? Some guy named Steve called into the radio after they mentioned rumors about Lamar starting vs Bengals. That’s when the caller said that he was at the Ravens facility yesterday and saw Joe’s car and he saw Joe leave on crutches in pain. I’m honestly not buying it until I hear more but it’s something to think about at least. I guess we’ll see soon enough.
 
Grim said:
Who’s who? Some guy named Steve called into the radio after they mentioned rumors about Lamar starting vs Bengals. That’s when the caller said that he was at the Ravens facility yesterday and saw Joe’s car and he saw Joe leave on crutches in pain. I’m honestly not buying it until I hear more but it’s something to think about at least. I guess we’ll see soon enough.
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Wasn't clear who came out on crutches.
Seems dodgy that nobody else is reporting NFL starting QB being on crutches.
 
allblackraven said:
Wasn't clear who came out on crutches.
Seems dodgy that nobody else is reporting NFL starting QB being on crutches.
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Yeah, I agree. That's why I said it's far-fetched but still something so maybe it's true I don't know. I don't understand why "Steve" was even at the Ravens facility. lol like who is he? Still, that's what he said and I do remember hearing something about Joe hurting his hip at some point against the Steelers so maybe it's true.
 
Grim said:
You have to like how Lamar has improved through the course of the season from when he was drafted to the preseason to now. It’s a nice progression and it shows actual work being put in by the QB. It’s very refreshing to see. He gives you hope that he can resurrect things although he still has a ways to go to become the guy. I’m not sure Lamar is better than Joe right now because that sounds a bit absurd but I can tell he’s read defenses well and looked like he went through his progressions.
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Reading defenses and hitting his progressions has always been a strong point of his, although I’m not sure if he was reading defenses in college or if he was just seeing receivers get open, but either way thise things aren’t a surprise. I’m a little surprised how much his pocket presence seems to have improved from the PS, he was a lot more jittery in PS than in college and he seems to have gotten his poise back, and he’s done this while using mechanics that are still kinda foreign to him.

What was always the most encouraging sight for me, was in preseason, when he’s using entirely new mechanics, he’s calling plays for the first time, and he’s clearly flustered and under heavy pressure, and he never reverted back to his broken college mechanics. Even under heavy pressure and while honestly not looking good, he maintained the new mechanics and never reverted out of duress or desperation. It showed real determination and mental fortitude to be able to force himself to play what was right despite it not feeling natural to him.
 
@JoeyFlex5 I think it was you saying our opponents starting to blitz a lot. Joe faces a lot of blitzes and is dead last in QBR vs the blitz 63.3.
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cdp said:
@JoeyFlex5 I think it was you saying our opponents starting to blitz a lot. Joe faces a lot of blitzes and is dead last in QBR vs the blitz 63.3.
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Subpar interior O line, Flacco doesn't move or throw screen passes well - don't exactly need a PhD in defensive play calling to figure out what to do.

Sigh.....
 
allblackraven said:
Subpar interior O line, Flacco doesn't move or throw screen passes well - don't exactly need a PhD in defensive play calling to figure out what to do.

Sigh.....
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he's also historically been worse against the blitz than the average qb - partly because he doesnt necessarily pick up blitz cues very well
 
rossihunter2 said:
he's also historically been worse against the blitz than the average qb - partly because he doesnt necessarily pick up blitz cues very well
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I think it is mental with him. He simply freezes under pressure. He becomes disoriented and he seems to fail to understand whether to curl up like an infant and take a sack or look for someone to throw the ball to or throw the ball away. The end result is comical because it is all 3 motions in 1! That is really his undoing as a QB I think.
 
rossihunter2 said:
fair play to the front office - the first year in the last 3-4 years that a qb is in range for us to pick up and they go and get him - the only other qb who ever got close to in range was deshaun watson in 2017 (and im not sure if we were interested but there was no way we were outbidding the texans either way)

and looking at lamar's mechanics - they are already obviously so much better - as james urban said earlier this week it's more about repetitions and consistency for lamar's action now
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I’d say Rosen at 11, 5 picks away is in range.

And what was Mahomes picked at? Like 12 or something?
 
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