The Random Thought Thread

[Deebo813]

Sure. RB's have increasingly become a late 1st to 2nd round investment, whereas they used to be drafted in the top 10 regularly. I think more and more talented RB's will appear in the 2nd or later rounds as time goes on. Unless it's an obvious talent like Saquon Barkley, others will go incognito and get picked up later.

Though "just as much as him" is a little hard to say yes, since he is cemented as one of the all time greatest. But close to what he's done, for at least one season, sure.

They were drafted in top 10 regulary like what 50yrs ago? Last 15yrs people been believing that you can get the same production out of a 4th rnder as you could 1st-2nd rnder and imo, that has never even been close to accurate. Shit i hate that just as much as people believing that S position isnt important or is fading away lol

 

[Deebo813]

Once Henry retires, do you think we’d consider spending a first round pick on a RB if he’s considered somewhat generational? We’ve seen what an absolute stud at RB can do for Lamar

Naw.. not when we can grab guys like henry out of free agency lol

 

[Asyranok]

Naw.. not when we can grab guys like henry out of free agency lol

Or find another Priest Holmes undrafted. And hold onto him instead of barely using him and sending him to Kansas City.

 

[rmcjacket23]

They were drafted in top 10 regulary like what 50yrs ago? Last 15yrs people been believing that you can get the same production out of a 4th rnder as you could 1st-2nd rnder and imo, that has never even been close to accurate. Shit i hate that just as much as people believing that S position isnt important or is fading away lol

Well there's a few things there:
1. The round devaluation correlates with a) teams throwing the ball more than ever, which by definition, makes RBs overall less valuable both from an output and from a snap count perspective and b) the injury rates of RBs being largely higher than most other position groups. Meaning a high investment on that player will yield less games, snaps, etc. than many other position groups.
2. RBs, Safeties and TEs getting "devalued" has less to do with thinking they're not important, and more to do with the contracts at those positions effectively not keeping up with "inflation", i.e. if the salary cap rises 100% over 5 years, RBs won't be twice as expensive. Several other position groups, like QBs, WRs, etc. might very well be. And a lot of that is driven by the first part, which is less emphasis on running, more emphasis on passing, and durability concerns.
Plus, a first round RB, based on market prices, often is playing at near-market-value prices literally on their rookie deal. So you've taken away a large chunk of the "bargain" of a first round pick, which is the cheap contract.

 

[Dom McRaven]

Once Henry retires, do you think we’d consider spending a first round pick on a RB if he’s considered somewhat generational? We’ve seen what an absolute stud at RB can do for Lamar

I'm not serious with this because I don't think he falls that far plus we got more pressing needs, but Jeanty with Lamar would be a symphony.

 

[Sooky]

I will say though on this topic, many of us have been harping for the FO to get a #1 WR for so long for Lamar thinking that's what it would take to take him to the next level. I do think the Ravens need to start thinking about life after Henry sooner rather than later.

Zay and Bateman have been solid this year don't get me wrong, they are not superstars yet. But they have been plenty for what the Ravens need. Lamar's threat of running with a really good running back opens up so much in the pass game it's way more valuable than having a top 5 WR in the league.

Until Lamar's legs fall off, I think the Ravens need to put emphasis on O-line and a top running back after Henry retires. Lamar can do the rest in the pass game. It's insane how much Lamar's impact opens up the run game. And I can't believe for most of his career, it's been opening it up for mostly Gus Edwards. Give Lamar someone of James Cook's caliber or better, the rest of the offense will fall in place.

EDIT: JK Dobbins was probably going to be that guy if he didn't get the injuries he did.

 

[Simba]

I will say though on this topic, many of us have been harping for the FO to get a #1 WR for so long for Lamar thinking that's what it would take to take him to the next level. I do think the Ravens need to start thinking about life after Henry sooner rather than later.

Zay and Bateman have been solid this year don't get me wrong, they are not superstars yet. But they have been plenty for what the Ravens need. Lamar's threat of running with a really good running back opens up so much in the pass game it's way more valuable than having a top 5 WR in the league.

Until Lamar's legs fall off, I think the Ravens need to put emphasis on O-line and a top running back after Henry retires. Lamar can do the rest in the pass game. It's insane how much Lamar's impact opens up the run game. And I can't believe for most of his career, it's been opening it up for mostly Gus Edwards. Give Lamar someone of James Cook's caliber or better, the rest of the offense will fall in place.

I go back and forth with the idea of a RB.

On one hand, you don't want Henry going down or hitting a wall and having nothing like him behind him.

On the other hand, it's hard to justify taking a similar RB in a 'just in case' situation because you essentially burn 1 of 4 years of that deal and don't get the value out of it.

I think your last little paragraph is where I'd focus - Offensive Line. Great RBs tend to do great things, but a great OL can make a good RB look great.

 

[redrum52]

If we win the SB should John retire?

You gotta give him a chance to run it back if he still wants to coach


If we don't win send gramps upstairs like Pete Carroll

 

[allblackraven]

Once Henry retires, do you think we’d consider spending a first round pick on a RB if he’s considered somewhat generational? We’ve seen what an absolute stud at RB can do for Lamar

Ozie's advice will be "don't do it, take that great athletic LB then we'll see if he's OLB or ILB"

 

[rossihunter2]

Finally catching up on hard knocks
its so funny that there are 3 really good HCs in the division and then Zac Taylor

Joe Burrow should get extra credit for clearly being the offensive architect and designer in cincinnati also lol - i hope they keep taylor forever lol haha

 

[Simba]

Finally catching up on hard knocks
its so funny that there are 3 really good HCs in the division and then Zac Taylor

Joe Burrow should get extra credit for clearly being the offensive architect and designer in cincinnati also lol - i hope they keep taylor forever lol haha

I'm generally a big believer in the idea that players generally make good coaches look bad.

Not Zac Taylor. That's a bad coach.

 

[redrum52]

Finally catching up on hard knocks
its so funny that there are 3 really good HCs in the division and then Zac Taylor

Joe Burrow should get extra credit for clearly being the offensive architect and designer in cincinnati also lol - i hope they keep taylor forever lol haha

Was shocked they kept him. The SB loss I was so happy because they made it and knew would probably get an extension

 

[rossihunter2]

I'm generally a big believer in the idea that players generally make good coaches look bad.

Not Zac Taylor. That's a bad coach.

it was just so obvious when they showed him in comparison to harbs or tomlin or stefanski

people say harbs lucked out with lamar for extending his career...

well zac taylor owes his entire career to joe burrow lol - literally watching clips of joe burrow scheming up plays and gameplans and then running practice... what does taylor even do lol

 

[allblackraven]

Finally catching up on hard knocks
its so funny that there are 3 really good HCs in the division and then Zac Taylor

Joe Burrow should get extra credit for clearly being the offensive architect and designer in cincinnati also lol - i hope they keep taylor forever lol haha

I hope he coaches Bengals for as long as Marvin did. At least.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Everyone freaking out over the Tik Tok ban...... not me. Like oh no, people won't be able to do those stupid dance videos no more, what will they do with their lives. I have a YouTube channel, I have Twitter/X and Blue Sky for the purpose of promoting my YouTube channel and Facebook to keep in touch with friends and family. Never once used Tik Tok, should have been banned a long time ago.

TikTok is just gay Vine anyway, bring back Vine

 

[RavensMania]

Now that we have henry. Do you guys still think rbs like henry can be found in later rounds and still produce just as much as him?

rb's like Henry don't come around often

 

[JAAM]

TikTok is just gay Vine anyway, bring back Vine

Exactly what I was gonna say lol

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Now that we have henry. Do you guys still think rbs like henry can be found in later rounds and still produce just as much as him?

Man I’ve been off that train. Statistically you might not see a big variation between okay and great backs, but if that great back is paired with a franchise qb and an overall solid offense, that great rb can be the difference between a win and loss literally any week, and that will never show up in the stats.

Converting a 3rd and 1 when the conditions aren’t perfect is not quantified or measured right now, but god dammit it’s a huge deal.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Exactly what I was gonna say lol

You are a fellow man of culture, I’m not surprised

 

[Tank]

Or find another Priest Holmes undrafted. And hold onto him instead of barely using him and sending him to Kansas City.

It was him or Jamal. We did alright.