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rossihunter2 said:
i think the gronk ones are so stupid they almost become charming

the peyton ones always annoyed me a little but dont care that much

i do think the baker ads are pretty good though tbf compared to the usual sports personality fare
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anything with peyton in it is goat to me. peyton is the funniest football player ever imo, his dry humor is tv worthy. gronk is so bad at delivering his lines that it hurts every fiber of my being watching him.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
anything with peyton in it is goat to me. peyton is the funniest football player ever imo, his dry humor is tv worthy. gronk is so bad at delivering his lines that it hurts every fiber of my being watching him.
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You know they gave gronk like three takes and were just like “you know what, fuck it. He’s horrible. Just let him read the fucking lines. I got a date tonight”
 
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Nurps said:
You know they gave gronk like three takes and were just “you know what, fuck it. He’s horrible. Just let him read the fucking lines. I got a date tonight”
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he reminds me of a puppy in those ads
and his delivery to me goes in the "so bad it's good" section for line deliveries lol
 
ThatsMyJoeTerback said:
"argh busted! this is super bowl champion rob gronkowski, i'm not a member!"
"oh but i'm special!"

maybe the two worst executed lines in tv commercial history
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When he leans in and elbow taps the dude and talks with his hands like he’s promoting a mixtape I just want him to retire and disappear. Like cmon man I like you on the field but I immediately hated you after that commercial.
 
rossihunter2 said:
he reminds me of a puppy in those ads
and his delivery to me goes in the "so bad it's good" section for line deliveries lol
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You are in the minority, my friend. The things Joey mentioned are absolutely hard to watch. Like "A Serbian Film" hard lol
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
When he leans in and elbow taps the dude and talks with his hands like he’s promoting a mixtape I just want him to retire and disappear. Like cmon man I like you on the field but I immediately hated you after that commercial.
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It’s so odd how he has great energy and charisma in real life, and then he gets in front of a camera and it all disappears
 
Alright football boys, I need your help for a school presentation.

I have a visual aids project due. Fairly simple, just picking a passionate topic and going in depth on it. my teacher is a former football broadcaster, so my presentation is -

Why the cornerback is becoming the most important defensive position in the NFL

Figured no one in the world could be better at helping than people on the forums.

my major points right now revolve around 1, their value, pricing, and average draft positions (mainly in comparison to pass rushers) 2, The evolution of the game to more passing, dime nickel ect, and 3, what a good corner can do schematically for your team, pressure rates from blitzes and such

Please throw at me any data or articles stats whatever that could be somewhat useful for this.
Even points, suggestions, and general topics to discuss would be killer. Thanks
 
^ also this includes the argument that getting a good corner is far easier than getting an elite rusher or paying a corner is cheaper than elite rusher. if that makes sense
 
purplepittabread88 said:
Alright football boys, I need your help for a school presentation.

I have a visual aids project due. Fairly simple, just picking a passionate topic and going in depth on it. my teacher is a former football broadcaster, so my presentation is -

Why the cornerback is becoming the most important defensive position in the NFL

Figured no one in the world could be better at helping than people on the forums.

my major points right now revolve around 1, their value, pricing, and average draft positions (mainly in comparison to pass rushers) 2, The evolution of the game to more passing, dime nickel ect, and 3, what a good corner can do schematically for your team, pressure rates from blitzes and such

Please throw at me any data or articles stats whatever that could be somewhat useful for this.
Even points, suggestions, and general topics to discuss would be killer. Thanks
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i mean the best way would be to find the analytics and statistics that have shown how good the Pats, Ravens (and somewhat the dolphins) defences have been the last half decade or so specifically because of their reliance on man coverage and being able to trust their corners to hold up in 1v1 situations

finding the data on ravens defence and the quarterbacks's they face average time to throw vs their numbers vs the rest of the NFL

these articles from PFF might be somewhat useful:
https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-data-study-coverage-vs-pass-rush
https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-data-study-coverage-vs-pass-rush-revisited
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-data-study-coverage-vs-pass-rush-part-three
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-baltimore-ravens-defensive-changes-2019

a couple of those talk about the ravens but they're more generally about the nature of pass rush and coverage in the modern NFL - the first 3 are part of an analytical study and are part of a series

a somewhat interesting ringer article about the value of those positions and team-building - not particularly analytical or anything but might interest you:
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/...shers-new-england-patriots-kansas-city-chiefs

this about coverage and evaluating coverage won the last NFL big data bowl competition and points to some negatives in the way we evaluate different players in different coverages on different plays - to me it illustrates an area where an inefficiency in evaluation might allow for some extra value if you can assess differently:
https://www.kaggle.com/model284/a-defensive-player-coverage-evaluation-framework

N.B. note that marlon humphrey is one of the truly remarkable players in these scales and this was the year before his all-pro season lol - but also might point to something schematic generally about the style of defence that anthony levine and tavon young also show up notably in the study from that year

but this year's entire big data bowl was all about coverage and defending the pass play - idk where you'd find the actual studies but here's the home page for the data bowl itself:
https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/big-data-bowl/2020-21-big-data-bowl/

hope some of that is helpful
 
rossihunter2 said:
i mean the best way would be to find the analytics and statistics that have shown how good the Pats, Ravens (and somewhat the dolphins) defences have been the last half decade or so specifically because of their reliance on man coverage and being able to trust their corners to hold up in 1v1 situations

finding the data on ravens defence and the quarterbacks's they face average time to throw vs their numbers vs the rest of the NFL

these articles from PFF might be somewhat useful:
https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-data-study-coverage-vs-pass-rush
https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-data-study-coverage-vs-pass-rush-revisited
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-data-study-coverage-vs-pass-rush-part-three
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-baltimore-ravens-defensive-changes-2019

a couple of those talk about the ravens but they're more generally about the nature of pass rush and coverage in the modern NFL - the first 3 are part of an analytical study and are part of a series

a somewhat interesting ringer article about the value of those positions and team-building - not particularly analytical or anything but might interest you:
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/...shers-new-england-patriots-kansas-city-chiefs

this about coverage and evaluating coverage won the last NFL big data bowl competition and points to some negatives in the way we evaluate different players in different coverages on different plays - to me it illustrates an area where an inefficiency in evaluation might allow for some extra value if you can assess differently:
https://www.kaggle.com/model284/a-defensive-player-coverage-evaluation-framework

N.B. note that marlon humphrey is one of the truly remarkable players in these scales and this was the year before his all-pro season lol - but also might point to something schematic generally about the style of defence that anthony levine and tavon young also show up notably in the study from that year

but this year's entire big data bowl was all about coverage and defending the pass play - idk where you'd find the actual studies but here's the home page for the data bowl itself:
https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/big-data-bowl/2020-21-big-data-bowl/

hope some of that is helpful
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literally perfect. knew you would come out with an essay for me. thanks so much
 
purplepittabread88 said:
literally perfect. knew you would come out with an essay for me. thanks so much
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the PFF stuff is probably the most accessible to begin with for sure

a lot of the stuff in the data bowl is heavily analytical

but for me the most important things to look at schematically would be:
  1. the general move towards the passing game vs the running game via rules and progression of the game in the sport more generally
  2. the quickening of throwing times and designed/schemed short/quick throws mitigating the impact of a good edge rusher somewhat
  3. the importance of coverage in lengthening time to throw
  4. the ability for good man coverage to allow for the blitz and thus hurrying up throwing times again (leading to shorter routes and therefore lower ADOT which restricts the playing space and allows corners to play closer to the receivers in man and allow them to be more confident triggering underneath in zone albeit we saw the downside to this with the westry TD given up only 2 days ago lol)
in terms of edge guys you can talk about the value of sacks vs pressures and how sacks are valuable but not predictive whereas pressures do correlate - but it means that in most cases on a pass play the ball will go in the air somewhere into coverage because the only way it doesnt is if there's a sack

you can examine the way that edge rushers often get paid for past sack production despite it's non-predictive nature and that there's a market inefficiency there to be exploited - especially as coverage sacks count the same in sack totals as high quality sacks (and count more than a forced interception via a pressure or qb hit)

i wouldnt necessarily talk about more nickel and dime beyond the idea that it just means that you need *more* corners because it also means that you're more likely to get more from college because that game changed quicker than the NFL in that way

but looking at market inefficiencies in contracts/pricing is a great idea for sure
 
purplepittabread88 said:
Alright football boys, I need your help for a school presentation.

I have a visual aids project due. Fairly simple, just picking a passionate topic and going in depth on it. my teacher is a former football broadcaster, so my presentation is -

Why the cornerback is becoming the most important defensive position in the NFL

Figured no one in the world could be better at helping than people on the forums.

my major points right now revolve around 1, their value, pricing, and average draft positions (mainly in comparison to pass rushers) 2, The evolution of the game to more passing, dime nickel ect, and 3, what a good corner can do schematically for your team, pressure rates from blitzes and such

Please throw at me any data or articles stats whatever that could be somewhat useful for this.
Even points, suggestions, and general topics to discuss would be killer. Thanks
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I think a comparison between the 2014 and 2019 Ravens might be a good opener/example. Great pass rush with Suggs, Dumervil, and McPhee, but our corners still got exposed against the Patriots.
 
I think a good angle is due to competitive advantage WRs have been given through rule having an elite CB is critical because the margin for error is so much smaller these days.
 
rossihunter2 said:
the PFF stuff is probably the most accessible to begin with for sure

a lot of the stuff in the data bowl is heavily analytical

but for me the most important things to look at schematically would be:
  1. the general move towards the passing game vs the running game via rules and progression of the game in the sport more generally
  2. the quickening of throwing times and designed/schemed short/quick throws mitigating the impact of a good edge rusher somewhat
  3. the importance of coverage in lengthening time to throw
  4. the ability for good man coverage to allow for the blitz and thus hurrying up throwing times again (leading to shorter routes and therefore lower ADOT which restricts the playing space and allows corners to play closer to the receivers in man and allow them to be more confident triggering underneath in zone albeit we saw the downside to this with the westry TD given up only 2 days ago lol)
in terms of edge guys you can talk about the value of sacks vs pressures and how sacks are valuable but not predictive whereas pressures do correlate - but it means that in most cases on a pass play the ball will go in the air somewhere into coverage because the only way it doesnt is if there's a sack

you can examine the way that edge rushers often get paid for past sack production despite it's non-predictive nature and that there's a market inefficiency there to be exploited - especially as coverage sacks count the same in sack totals as high quality sacks (and count more than a forced interception via a pressure or qb hit)

i wouldnt necessarily talk about more nickel and dime beyond the idea that it just means that you need *more* corners because it also means that you're more likely to get more from college because that game changed quicker than the NFL in that way

but looking at market inefficiencies in contracts/pricing is a great idea for sure
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Yes. I loved this all. I had so so so much fun with this assignment. I had a midterm and another project today so I was just exhausted and said fuck it lets do something fun. It ended up going pretty well. I did a whiteboard break down showing cover 0 for the class from Ravens Rams 19. Felt like I was doing a baldy breakdown. I love what you said about payed for previous sacks- I made a big point the top 5 rushers get 25 mil on avg / year and the top 5 cbs = 18.2 avg.
I called it the numbers games for simplicity just showing how one more man bltizing than blocking ends well for the defense. (again only if Westry isnt blowing it)
project was persuasive based so my ending message was somewhat a recommendation to draft a corner every year at some point

For personnel measures I said players in this modern day are quicker and more qbs becoming mobile is making bigger slower guys situation and thus bringing more dbs in that manner.
Appreciate the help again!
 
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