for context i still think Grimes is a day 3 prospect - think his upside is as a complementary possession receiver (which has value but not day 2 value)
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for context i still think Grimes is a day 3 prospect - think his upside is as a complementary possession receiver (which has value but not day 2 value)
UPennChem
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Gotcha!! Thanks.
Grim
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Yep, that's true. I think it shows that we need to focus there more if we want to beat them. TBF they have a stacked defense. David & White are elite LBs. We have nothing like that. Our secondary is at least as good or better than TB, but the LBs aren't. That's a big deal when it comes to stopping KC since Kelce makes that offense work along w/ Hill & Mahomes. Removing Kelce then taking Hill out of the game just makes it all on Mahomes and then when the OL gets beat he can't win. That's how you beat KC--you remove Mahomes' top two weapons in Kelce & Hill then make him beat you and he can't because their OL cannot hold up.
True story.
There's no doubt this would be the narrative along with Lamar choking in big games. Sorry but Mahomes hasn't been elite in his Super Bowl appearances and not even his playoff appearances. I don't think much has separated him and Lamar in the post season except execution, weapons, and play design.
Yep, take away Hill & Kelce it's a different game for Mahomes. The OL is a big deal still, definitely can't be cheap there and expect to win.
Both are important. You can't win with a lackluster pass rush but you also can't win with a lackluster secondary. Both need to be up to par for the task. You don't need both to be elite but one unit needs to be elite on your front 7 be is LB or DL and then you need the CB to be good enough to stop Hill to force Mahomes to other options.
tbf execution's pretty important lol
Grim
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Oh no doubt, they are all important. Execution is a big reason we've sucked. I'm just saying it's the same for KC too. I just hate some of the stuff I heard regarding one-sided calls and the like. KC didn't play well and didn't do well and everyone wasn't great--Mahomes included. I heard the announcers kind of even alluding to the calls being iffy at one point, but the reality is that they were fair. Anyway, I won't get into depth here, just wanted to make my peace lol
This is the one
JoeyFlex5
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And beyond that, while I believe corners are more essential than pass rushers, there are plenty of matchups where pass rush will shine more, against the chiefs you need a loaded deck, but when their OL is in shambles and mahomes is hobbled, suddenly pass rush becomes exponentially more important.
ravenslord
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Am I the only one who thought of the Giants pass rush during the Super Bowl against Brady and the Patriots when watching Tampa maul Mahomes?
Me thinks the trade value of Orlando Brown Jr definitely was drive up after the league watched that happen to Mahomes. I want the chargers 13th pick bad.
rmcjacket23
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Me thinks the only thing last night showed was that you need better depth. Those weren't starting Tackles out there last night.
ravenslord
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And it certainly showed and was a major factor as to why Mahomes looked so lost I thought he might pull out a pacifier and start sucking on it during the game.
twice over how many time Brady had cuz Warfs, and that the tackles before him all were super meh with no reason to explain.
JoeyFlex5
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Yeah last night showed nothing to ravens fans other than needing to get home with 4 men and be able to stop kelce to beat the chiefs.
don’t be overreactionary to the super bowl, the truth will always be that the RT is less valuable than the LT, unless you have a leftie qb. This game should in no way at all have any influence on the brown decision, and I basically guarantee it won’t.
BoredMarine13
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My problem with this is who do we have to replace him ? Fluker? We already have some bad holes in the line WITH Brown, getting rid of him only exacerbates the problem.
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JoeyFlex5
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The thing is the ravens might not have a choice in the matter...
BoredMarine13
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I think Brown is laying the ground work for future contracts but ultimately knows he is playing for the Ravens one more year. He will crush it again and hit free agency looking for LT money , which someone will rightfully pay.
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JoeyFlex5
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That’s what you hope, but so far we’ve seen nothing but insistence that he’s a left tackle, he didn’t clarify that he’s talking about 2022 either.
But again, they do have a choice here. They control his fate. If they don't find a trade they like, Orlando Brown is stuck playing RT or sitting out. And he'd be incredibly dumb to sit out.