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interesting sidenote here is that earl thomas still apparently hasnt filed the grievance despite it having been nearly 6 weeks since he was cut (think the deadline to file is 2 months from release)
Lol its not fair. Never made sense to me tbh and still dont. Pat, russ and aaron should be no debate. Arod is and was arod last year. Offense was just bad. Its fine to say who had better season but to actually believe, which people did ...that anyone outside of russ and pat is better than rodgers is straight outrageous imo. I mean people even had rodgers not making the offs.
I think it's a good sign as well and Roman will figure out the running game. That being said the rushing numbers are misleading.
rmcjacket23
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That really doesn't make sense though. If he gets injured and misses time, that would arguably make his price tag cheaper, given the injury concerns. His value would only go up if his replacement were horrible, which would probably be true long term of anybody.
Teams don't really have the luxury of holding out good players "just in case". He didn't play because they didn't think he was healthy enough to play.
JoeyFlex5
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In 2019 Lamar was better than anyone in this conversation, to put Rodgers over him in 2019 is putting the past over the present and future.
rmcjacket23
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Rodgers didn't just have one season of mediocrity. Its been a few years. Here's how he ranked:
2019: 21st in completion %, 14th in TD%, 17th in YPA, 12th in QB rating, 18th in QBR.
2018: 26th in completion %, 22nd in TD%, 17th in YPA, 13th in QB rating, 20th in QBR.
2017: 8th in completion %, 2nd in TD%, 17th in YPA, 8th in QB rating, 10th in QBR
2016: 4th in completion %, 2nd in TD%, 13th in YPA, 4th in QB rating, 4th in QBR
The only metric where he continues to be elite is with turnovers, where he very rarely throws interceptions.
He was an elite QB in 2016, he was a top 10 QB in 2017, and he fell off a cliff the last two seasons. You'd be hard pressed to find a metric, beyond turnovers, where he was even in a "good" category. His completion %s are atrocious for a modern NFL QB, he has consistently been a guy who hasn't thrown the ball down the field at all for several years now. And while I think stats like QB rating or QBR are largely irrelevant, there's plenty of metrics that will show this.
Its not a lifetime achievement award. He wasn't viewed as a top 3 or even top 10 QB the last couple years because literally nothing he did on the football field was indicative of a top 3 or top 10 QB. Yes, the offense sucked. He also plays on that offense, and he wasn't any good either. He's been playing with a bunch of nobodies for a few years now, and now all of the sudden he has studs around him? I don't think so.
Justdewinit20
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Considering we’re 31st in passing, I’m a bit concerned. Lamar has missed some throws but Romans passing scheme isn’t the same as it was last season. We’re trying to attack deep way too often.
Charm City
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part of it is putting stuff on film and getting reps in, even if it doesn't work out rn. It gives other teams to think about before they instinctively put 8 or 9 in the box. I'd rather us experiment against the redskins than a good team
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Because we pretty much have to. We don't have the kind of players who can make an impact in the intermediate. We're great in the middle of the field, we're great on YAC when you put the ball in their hands quickly, and we should be (but aren't) great deep. Our intermediate passing game is largely non-existent, and its amplified in tight games or when we're trailing.
Justdewinit20
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4 weeks in and the Ravens 2020 draft class seems very bad. We’ll see how they progress.
JAAM
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Ummmmmmmmm please tell me this is a troll post. Queen is in RDPOY conversations, Duv looks extremely promising, especially in the return game, JK is doing what’s asked of him (he’ll more than likely be the lead back next year) and we have a rookie starting on the offensive line. With all due respect, what the fuck are you talking about?
Justdewinit20
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We have to take deep shots even though we’re bad at passing deep? That doesn’t make any sense. 31st in passing yards through 4 games is awful. Sure
Please watch the all-22 tape on Queen and get back to me. Same on Tyre Phillips. Just because they’re starting doesn’t mean they’re playing well
rmcjacket23
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I certainly don't think it looks "bad". That's not accurate.
Queen's been pretty good. Duvernay has made some explosive plays, and Dobbins and Phillips are coming along.
That being said, there's a couple things I'd point out:
1. Madubuike has been hurt. Can't judge his performance when he's not available to play. But can't call it a good or even average pick when he's not contributing.
2. Obviously Bredeson, Washington, Proche and Stone have made minimal contributions. They're not playing much, if at all, and aren't making any real impact when they are.
So through a whopping 4 games (a laughably small sample size), you've basically got two starters who are playing well (Queen and Phillips), a trio of situational role players (Dobbins, Duvernay, Harrison), and then about five other guys who are making very little or no impact.
That's not a bad class, but its not a world-beating class either. To be blunt, I had higher expectations for Dobbins, Duvernay, and Harrison early on. Those guys aren't competing with world-beaters for playing time, and I would have expected them to seize more significant roles in their units by this point. Now, lack of a more aggressive preseason probably hurt their causes, but the jury's still out on their long term impact.
Certainly not a bad class by any stretch though.
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How many games do you want me to watch? Just the most recent one, which seems to be what you're referencing, or all of them?
Queen's struggles against KC and WSH were well documented.
The all 22 is not going to show struggles for Tyre Phillips beyond the Houston game, where he really struggled. Was pretty easily the best Olineman on the team against KC, and he's going to grade well against WSH also I think.
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And yes, we have to take deep shots because we're not any good at attacking the intermediate level. I don't really care where we "rank" in passing yards... that has no context whatsoever. We're 31st in passing yards because Lamar is 28th in pass attempts. Why would we have a bunch of yards if we throw a lot less than everybody else? Logically, we wouldn't. A lot of the top 10 in passing yards are QBs who play for bad teams. Coincidence? Not really.
Tied for 12th in yards/attempt (a much more relevant stat for assessing the passing game), and 6th in adjusted yards/attempt. For reference... its very similar to where we ended 2019.
This isn't rocket science. Passing yards is largely a product of volume. And passing volume is in no way predictive of successful offenses or winning football games.
And that's kind of what we're trying to do here...
JAAM
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Growing pains with Queen. He’s looking great so far minus the Chiefs game in just his third NFL start. Let’s not expect a rookie taken late in the first without minicamp and OTAs to come in and be Ray Lewis. To call them “very bad” is just an asinine statement in my opinion.
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As always, I think it'll come down to price.
I would pay him, but I guess its not outside the realm of possibility. I suspect one could argue that having dominant Oline play isn't nearly as important for a mobile QB who can move the pocket and avoid the rush as well as Lamar can. Russell Wilson has made a fine living doing that, though he's a lot better at it than Lamar.
If it were me, I'd pay him. Because I don't see anybody else more worthy than him. I'd be super pissed if they let Stanley walk but then gave like $15-18M to Orlando Brown. I'm not paying Judon instead of Stanley, and Lamar is still probably 2-3 years away from needing a lucrative extension. Paying Andrews really won't even be that expensive in the grand scheme of things. He's not going to command Kittle-money I don't think.
And you essentially have nobody on defense in need of a long term deal at this point.
JAAM
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With Dobbins, I blame the play calling. Roman is committed to a RBBC instead of rolling with the hot hand. Didn’t Dobbins rip off two 20+ yard runs against the Texans? He looks promising to me. Ingram doesn’t look like he has much left in the tank. It should be Gus and Dobbins. Rice wasn’t impressive as a rookie but started to become dominant his second season. JK looks absolutely fine to me.