Tank
Hall of Famer
If I'm Flacco I'm looking for Maclin and Watson/Boyle, and Allen/West/Collins. Wallace and Perriman are my 4th and 5th options until they tighten up.
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If I'm Flacco I'm looking for Maclin and Watson/Boyle, and Allen/West/Collins. Wallace and Perriman are my 4th and 5th options until they tighten up.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Have to disagree with you there. The more Flacco threw the ball to Perriman last season, the better and more comfortable the pair looked. Hell, there was a drive @PIT last year where Perriman had a wide open drop, but then the next play, Flacco went back to Breshad anyway for the catch. Not sure if it's the trust thing or not. But what I do know is the playbook we've been running for the last two weeks has been... Well basic. Which is fine, we needed to ease Flacco back in. But the further we go into the season, the more complex looks we will likely do. We didn't throw deep all that much last game and mostly relied on TE and RB screens and bootlegs. Which is actually a good thing. That'll force the safeties to come down and give Wallace, Perriman, and Maclin opportunities to shine deep.
Perriman is... Well weird. He clearly can come down with some difficult jump balls.
Torrey would have never made that catch in his wildest dreams.
But then he drops those wide open passes over the middle. Which is a real shame since towards the end of last year, Perriman proved to be effective on crossing routes over the middle. The defenses can't give him open space or else he'll pull off shit like this.
But ultimately, he's the kind of guy who is going to need more targets. And he'll ultimately get him. Defenses already have to respect the speed of Maclin and Wallace, and all three of our TEs look like they're threats in the receiving game(with Boyle being the least talented of the three, but still very capable). Add in the fact that Allen is a good reciever himself, and Woodhead's return is inevitable. And defenses going down the line are going to have to pick their poison.
I honestly don't see this season having any fantasy megastar stat wise(I mean, I have Maclin on my team. It seems him and Joe are building up a rock solid rapport) because of how we're going to spread the ball around. Which is fine. But I do expect a breakout game for Perriman sometime soon. He's going to go against #3 CBs a decent amount of the time... And even if he drops a few passes, his combination of athleticism and body control is going to be too much for most of them(The Broncos #3 CB is Roby... So...).
I have little doubts that as Joe gets more comfortable, we will start to utilize Wallace and Perriman more.
Barring health of course *knock on wood*
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Tank
Hall of Famer
I think they eventually will become more involved. But remember Joe didn't have Maclin/Watson/Boyle last year. I love what both Perriman and Wallace could bring, but right now Joe has 3 or 4 other sure handed guys He knows can be depended upon. If I'm in a must get situation right now that's where my throw is going.Have to disagree with you there. The more Flacco threw the ball to Perriman last season, the better and more comfortable the pair looked. Hell, there was a drive @PIT last year where Perriman had a wide open drop, but then the next play, Flacco went back to Breshad anyway for the catch. Not sure if it's the trust thing or not. But what I do know is the playbook we've been running for the last two weeks has been... Well basic. Which is fine, we needed to ease Flacco back in. But the further we go into the season, the more complex looks we will likely do. We didn't throw deep all that much last game and mostly relied on TE and RB screens and bootlegs. Which is actually a good thing. That'll force the safeties to come down and give Wallace, Perriman, and Maclin opportunities to shine deep.
Perriman is... Well weird. He clearly can come down with some difficult jump balls.
Torrey would have never made that catch in his wildest dreams.
But then he drops those wide open passes over the middle. Which is a real shame since towards the end of last year, Perriman proved to be effective on crossing routes over the middle. The defenses can't give him open space or else he'll pull off shit like this.
But ultimately, he's the kind of guy who is going to need more targets. And he'll ultimately get him. Defenses already have to respect the speed of Maclin and Wallace, and all three of our TEs look like they're threats in the receiving game(with Boyle being the least talented of the three, but still very capable). Add in the fact that Allen is a good reciever himself, and Woodhead's return is inevitable. And defenses going down the line are going to have to pick their poison.
I honestly don't see this season having any fantasy megastar stat wise(I mean, I have Maclin on my team. It seems him and Joe are building up a rock solid rapport) because of how we're going to spread the ball around. Which is fine. But I do expect a breakout game for Perriman sometime soon. He's going to go against #3 CBs a decent amount of the time... And even if he drops a few passes, his combination of athleticism and body control is going to be too much for most of them(The Broncos #3 CB is Roby... So...).
I have little doubts that as Joe gets more comfortable, we will start to utilize Wallace and Perriman more.
Barring health of course *knock on wood*
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
And eventually opposing defenses are going to figure that out. Which is a scary proposition for them since we do have Wallace and Perriman. We might not have a Julio Jones type dude out there, but we have more weapons than we did during the super bowl run. Get us a fucking elite oline and a bell cow type RB and my god the offense is going to be good. Not a high powered thing like Atlanta but a well oiled machine.
ravenslord
Ravens Ring of Honor
Joe doesn't trust him.
This line is getting old. What do you mean Joe doesn't trust him?
Because he's not throwing to him? That's wrong and even if it was it would be a pointless argument given how much target the WR group as a whole has gotten and how few and far between the attempts at deep passes have been.
Because he's had a drop and an over the middle catch he couldn't collect? Because there has been some miscommunication between the two on one play? Please. We're talking about professionnal football players here, not Donald Trump selecting his government. Joe is a QB that loves the big play and everytime he's dialed it up to BP, he was rewarded. They've worked together in the offseason. Joe could find him day in day out in OTAs and minicamp.
But for 3 plays that didn't work (not like they were supposed to give much either) Joe is going to stop trusting Perriman? Come on. You could make that argument for any other receiver except Watson. Even Maclin just has 2 TDs and that's it.
TheCity5
MVP
Some people haven't realize this but teams still have a lot of respect for Perrimans speed and have not thought about giving him one on one yet. This is almost the same case with Mike Wallace. Ben Watson got a lot of opportunities with middle linebackers and tore them to shreds while Maclin got his opportunities in the slot and didn't have to worry much about a LB there to jump the route or lay a hit.
Also, the pair of receivers, Perriman and Wallace haven't really gotten much targets. Both Perriman and Wallace are deep threats and the only deep pass Joe attempted was the one that got picked off by Cleveland. They've also been open but Joe at times has been reluctant, one of the reasons I find most obvious to me is that he doesn't trust where either receivers are going and I think the INT vs Cleveland made him go away from looking towards his WRs.
Also, the pair of receivers, Perriman and Wallace haven't really gotten much targets. Both Perriman and Wallace are deep threats and the only deep pass Joe attempted was the one that got picked off by Cleveland. They've also been open but Joe at times has been reluctant, one of the reasons I find most obvious to me is that he doesn't trust where either receivers are going and I think the INT vs Cleveland made him go away from looking towards his WRs.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
THANK YOU. Which is why I'm not worried. He may not be 4.2 40 fast... But he's easily a 4.3-4.4 guy. He's got elite speed. "But we didn't really use him deep last season". Sure about that? He had a few receptions(damn good ones too) over 20+ yards last year. Hell, his first career catch was a 35 yard reception,, i.e A DEEP PLAY). Perriman has also flashed great ability with crossing routes over the middle. If he can ever get some chemistry down with Joe, he's going to be a #1 at the NFL level because defenses are going to have to pay extra attention to him. He can already make some contested catches..
He's got potential man. It's easy to see why the dude was a first rounder: that said he clearly needs work. But it'll come. Eventually defenses will catch on that we are going to run the ball a lot and do short passes and bring the safety down. And then Flacco is going to go work.
TheCity5
MVP
Yeah iv certainly not given up on Perriman. He's just been terribly unlucky. Usually when a player busts, at the start of his career you usually hear from the media and coaches about how he just couldn't execute or win the job or in other cases how much he struggled. You didn't hear that at all when it came to Perriman, all you heard about in reguards to him was how great he was and how is bright his outlook was, and it was legitimate because of the fact that he was going to be the Ravens starting receiver.
He needs to stay healthy more than anything, I think he'll improve on the intracencies of the game, he just needs to make sure he can stay healthy and develop his on field chemistry with Joe.
ravenslord
Ravens Ring of Honor
Perriman runs poor routes , plays small and drops easy passes . Joe will stick with Marlin, Wallace and Watson in critical situations.
It’s hardly a line that is getting old . Qb’s will naturally go back to receivers that produce .
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Runs poor routes and drops easy passes I'll give you. He's infuriating at times. And I'm a fan of his.
Plays small? That's a load of horseshit.
Wide receivers who play small don't make that catch. That's perfect coverage by Gillmore, he's tackled going down to the ground with the defender in his face. It's textbook putting the trust in your WR, and a fucking horrible decision by Joe that paid off. Torrey Smith drops that ball.. That's a WR who plays small.
High points the ball, gets crushed by the DB. Still holds onto it. Torrey wouldn't even high point the damn ball, let alone hold onto it.
Put him one on one with a CB in a jump ball situation and there's a good chance he wins(and he caught far more than Torrey ever did for us last season so don't give me that shit). I mean, he's not Anquan Boldin or anything, but he ain't a slob in that department. He actually gets physical, which is a big reason why @Truth loved the dude so much.
And his hands are weird. He can make the spectacular catch all day long. But the easy ones? Can't do it on a consistent basis. Usually with young WRs it's the opposite problem. Good over the middle with the easy stuff. Most WR's can't make some of the tougher catches he can.
The body control he displays here is fucking awesome and rare.
He needs a lot of work. But I'll give Perriman this. He can make the big play, and dudes who do that have value in the NFL. Remember Robert Meachem? Yeah, first round pick for the saints who makes frustrating drops and did stupid shit sometimes, yet he could make the big play. Yet, Sean Payton(who I wish we had an offensive genius like that) turned him into a big play machine back when the Saints were good and properly utilized him. Perriman is that right now(we don't exactly use the dude right but whatever) with a hell of a lot more potential. Oh, and Meachem got pretty nice contract too when he left the Saints(and sucked because Sean Payton is a mastermind). Perriman has Demariyus Thomas type of potential. Oh, and he got off to a slow start to his career due to injuries too. Oh... And Thomas had literally the same exact issues coming out of school as well and he's clearly a #1 WR. That Broncos team has two of them.... Not fair.
And quite frankly, Perriman's made a lot of improvements last year during the regular season. All things considered, last year he had a solid year, outperformed my expectations and I liked him coming out of school.
So yeah. Way too early to judge still. It's technically Perriman's second year playing in the league. I'm giving him one more year before giving up hope on him.
Tank
Hall of Famer
I for one am not giving up on Perriman, but being realistic his drop issues are alarming and critical. Folks need to understand that this didn't just start this year, or last year, or his rookie year. He has always had board hands and it hasn't improved in THREE YEARS. I get that he hasn't had many live reps, but catching the ball is not something he hasn't been able to work on, no matter the injuries. He's still having the same hands issues he has had forever and to repeat, the longer they exist the less likely they will be fixed.
Read these, they are very telling.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015bperriman.php
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-2015-scouting-report-grade-for-ravens-rookie
http://www.fftoday.com/articles/orth/15_breshad_perriman.html
Read these, they are very telling.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015bperriman.php
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-2015-scouting-report-grade-for-ravens-rookie
http://www.fftoday.com/articles/orth/15_breshad_perriman.html
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BloodRaven
Pro Bowler
Personally I want to see production not promises, so far he hasnt delivered. It is what it is.
Plays small. That's a laugh, @Lost_In_Translation already tore you another one. I don't have anything left to say, but do your research next time, when you are going to make a statement like that.
Langford placed on IR and RB John Crockett to PS.
Hopefully that's a phantom i/r stash... we already know it's likely that other teams were sniffing around our rb group on the ps so maybe it's to stash him
ALI624
Pro Bowler
Well Jeff Zrebiec said he limped off from practice yesterday.
Tank
Hall of Famer
Hamstring......ankle last week. lol