Welcome to Baltimore: Zion Young

[Grim]

which is funny because this is exactly why EDC says it's normally not a good idea to trade up lol
because most of the potential outcomes are better when you stick and pick...

1) the player may fall to you anyway (what happened here)
2) the player you trade up for may not actually be better than the player that would have fallen to you
3) you lose the extra "at-bats" in a luck-driven process

I had the same thoughts come to my mind when I heard him say this. Literally wondering to myself what picks and also wondering what happens with both players. It’ll be interesting to see what transpires. I’m kinda bummed about Boston but I also agree in that I’m not sure I would’ve wanted him over Young. I’m guessing at a minimum Sarratt or Lane wouldn’t have been here maybe Hibner.

I think I’m in agreement that I’m glad we got Young + vs Boston solo.

 

[Deebo813]

I think he gets off the ball a bit slow for sure but some how is still able to cause problems

 

[rossihunter2]

I had the same thoughts come to my mind when I heard him say this. Literally wondering to myself what picks and also wondering what happens with both players. It’ll be interesting to see what transpires. I’m kinda bummed about Boston but I also agree in that I’m not sure I would’ve wanted him over Young. I’m guessing at a minimum Sarratt or Lane wouldn’t have been here maybe Hibner.

I think I’m in agreement that I’m glad we got Young + vs Boston solo.

tbf it sounds like the guy they were trying to trade up for was Young also (probably triggered by the fact that Boston was taken at 39)

 

[Grim]

tbf it sounds like the guy they were trying to trade up for was Young also (probably triggered by the fact that Boston was taken at 39)

Hmm I guess so, I didn’t make that connection but you’re right if he was #2. More to the point that staying and picking is often best

 

[Simba]

I’m not sure who they’d have taken if both were on the board, but it’s my understanding that Young and Boston were virtually neck and neck, and the last two top 32 grades (not necessarily a 1st round grade) they had left.

 

[rossihunter2]

Hmm I guess so, I didn’t make that connection but you’re right if he was #2. More to the point that staying and picking is often best

especially true because after Boston was picked at 39
3 EDGEs and a DT went in the next 5 picks and a team even traded up ahead of us for an EDGE they clearly thought we might take

and yet we still landed the guy we would have taken if we traded up...

 

[rossihunter2]

I’m not sure who they’d have taken if both were on the board, but it’s my understanding that Young and Boston were virtually neck and neck, and the last two top 32 grades (not necessarily a 1st round grade) they had left.

EDC talked about how he was 2nd remaining on their board at the start of the day so i guess if they stick to the board, technically it's Boston in that case?

but also i know they stack the boards horizontally too and i wonder if they would have looked at the picks coming up and considered Young first anyway knowing they'd have a better chance at a contributing WR

 

[Simba]

EDC talked about how he was 2nd remaining on their board at the start of the day so i guess if they stick to the board, technically it's Boston in that case?

but also i know they stack the boards horizontally too and i wonder if they would have looked at the picks coming up and considered Young first anyway knowing they'd have a better chance at a contributing WR

Yeah I guess so. Who knows. Easy to say in hindsight that they'd have gone Young when you end up with Lane and Sarratt, but the latter is a guy that they definitely didn't expect to be there so they took him. In a world where they take Boston at 45, my guess is they take someone else in the 3rd and still probably Sarratt in the 4th.

But either way, it worked out well for them. They got someone they ranked as a 1st round pick for this class and they'll take that 10 times out of 10.

 

[rossihunter2]

just watching the inside the draft ravens wired episode

and zion young was 20th on their board
(also implicitly means that Denzel Boston was top 20 too)

 

[JoeyFlex5]

just watching the inside the draft ravens wired episode

and zion young was 20th on their board
(also implicitly means that Denzel Boston was top 20 too)

Zion top 20 checks out

Denzel Boston top 20 and higher than Zion frankly does not.

I could be wrong about Boston, and I liked Boston, but I didn’t top 20 like him, and I feel like Zion was a whole tier of prospect above Boston

 

[UPennChem]

Zion top 20 checks out

Denzel Boston top 20 and higher than Zion frankly does not.

I could be wrong about Boston, and I liked Boston, but I didn’t top 20 like him, and I feel like Zion was a whole tier of prospect above Boston

I dont even think Boston is a good player

 

[rossihunter2]

Zion top 20 checks out

Denzel Boston top 20 and higher than Zion frankly does not.

I could be wrong about Boston, and I liked Boston, but I didn’t top 20 like him, and I feel like Zion was a whole tier of prospect above Boston

was deducing that it was boston based on the stuff we learned closer to the draft:

we know Zion was 2nd on their board entering day 2
we know they tried trading up to pick 39 (when Boston got picked)
we know they were no longer interested in trading up after pick 39
they had multiple meetings and visits with Boston including a 30 visit - and they clearly were emphasising and valuing his skillset based on the 2 receivers they took subsequently

also pretty sure @Simba confirmed it was Boston before...

only other guys who might make some sense over Young would have been TJ Parker, Christen Miller, Kayden McDonald and maybe Jacob Rodriguez

but the case for Boston seems most convincing to me

 

[Simba]

was deducing that it was boston based on the stuff we learned closer to the draft:

we know Zion was 2nd on their board entering day 2
we know they tried trading up to pick 39 (when Boston got picked)
we know they were no longer interested in trading up after pick 39
they had multiple meetings and visits with Boston including a 30 visit - and they clearly were emphasising and valuing his skillset based on the 2 receivers they took subsequently

also pretty sure @Simba confirmed it was Boston before...

only other guys who might make some sense over Young would have been TJ Parker, Christen Miller, Kayden McDonald and maybe Jacob Rodriguez

but the case for Boston seems most convincing to me

Yep Boston was the other guy within their range with a similar grade as Zion. I don't know that Boston was necessarily above Young, because it very well could have been someone else that went early in round 2 that was the grade above Zion. But that also doesn't mean Boston wasn't above him either.

What I was told is that they were the 2 guys they had ranked very similarly as the board started to shake out during day 2. Whether that makes Boston 19th or 21st or plus or minus a board spot or two... I don't really know.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Yep Boston was the other guy within their range with a similar grade as Zion. I don't know that Boston was necessarily above Young, because it very well could have been someone else that went early in round 2 that was the grade above Zion. But that also doesn't mean Boston wasn't above him either.

What I was told is that they were the 2 guys they had ranked very similarly as the board started to shake out during day 2. Whether that makes Boston 19th or 21st or plus or minus a board spot or two... I don't really know.

I’m pretty sure Eric said that Zion was the 2nd guy on their board going into day 2, and also that they had 2 guys they were targeting.

If I’m remembering these little tidbits correctly, it sounds a lot like they had Boston slightly over Zion

 

[Simba]

I’m pretty sure Eric said that Zion was the 2nd guy on their board going into day 2, and also that they had 2 guys they were targeting.

If I’m remembering these little tidbits correctly, it sounds a lot like they had Boston slightly over Zion

I think it depends. I'm just throwing out a name with no intel... but let's say Kayden McDonald was the guy they had rated higher. I think pretty much everyone in the league circle knew he wasn't lasting long once day 2 kicked off. He could have very well been rated higher, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was a target because they knew he wasn't going to be within their range.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think it depends. I'm just throwing out a name with no intel... but let's say Kayden McDonald was the guy they had rated higher. I think pretty much everyone in the league circle knew he wasn't lasting long once day 2 kicked off. He could have very well been rated higher, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was a target because they knew he wasn't going to be within their range.

Fair enough

 

[Deebo813]

Zion top 20 checks out

Denzel Boston top 20 and higher than Zion frankly does not.

I could be wrong about Boston, and I liked Boston, but I didn’t top 20 like him, and I feel like Zion was a whole tier of prospect above Boston

I think our new staff has something to do with boston being that high.

 

[rossihunter2]

I think it depends. I'm just throwing out a name with no intel... but let's say Kayden McDonald was the guy they had rated higher. I think pretty much everyone in the league circle knew he wasn't lasting long once day 2 kicked off. He could have very well been rated higher, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was a target because they knew he wasn't going to be within their range.

ah that makes sense
then again
im struggling to find anyone that truly fits the bill...

my guess is the guy above Zion is one of these 3 guys:
Denzel Boston
Kayden McDonald
TJ Parker

it won't be Stribling
it won't be Bisontis especially after they re-stacked the board for day 2
it probably isn't Hood
it could be Stukes but i'd guess it isnt because of some age/injury flags on his profile
it won't be any of the other EDGEs who went close to the pick: Thomas, Howell, Moore
and i think if it was Christen Miller or Jacob Rodriguez they wouldn't have been talking about Zion as early in the 2nd round as they seemingly were

so process of elimination i've got to think it's Boston, McDonald or Parker - and my guess is it's probably Boston given top 20 on their board feels maybe too high for a 2 down run-stuffer and i just think Zion's a guy they would like over TJ Parker but he's certainly still an option

 

[rossihunter2]

I think our new staff has something to do with boston being that high.

they certainly keyed in on his style of receiver
and he was clearly the best one of that type in the draft

 

[Simba]

ah that makes sense
then again
im struggling to find anyone that truly fits the bill...

my guess is the guy above Zion is one of these 3 guys:
Denzel Boston
Kayden McDonald
TJ Parker

it won't be Stribling
it won't be Bisontis especially after they re-stacked the board for day 2
it probably isn't Hood
it could be Stukes but i'd guess it isnt because of some age/injury flags on his profile
it won't be any of the other EDGEs who went close to the pick: Thomas, Howell, Moore
and i think if it was Christen Miller or Jacob Rodriguez they wouldn't have been talking about Zion as early in the 2nd round as they seemingly were

so process of elimination i've got to think it's Boston, McDonald or Parker - and my guess is it's probably Boston given top 20 on their board feels maybe too high for a 2 down run-stuffer and i just think Zion's a guy they would like over TJ Parker but he's certainly still an option

I too would guess it's Boston given the info we have, and it very well may have been. Just playing devil's advocate that it's not strictly black and white. There could be some nuance to how that played out is all.