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Simba said:
I've never found issue with our offense being built around long-developing plays. If Lamar has to extend those to hit the homerun, so be it.

Where I did find issue is never adjusting when that wasn't working. Not saying you get rid of those plays entirely, but you also have to move the ball to sustain drives and if you have to toss in some quick hitters to open up the possibility of what we really want to do... fucking do that. We were too stubborn at times in my opinion. Wanted the big chunks instead of incremental progress.
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Exactly. We had chicken shit for an OL, refused to make chicken salad, despite proving to have the ability to
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I think there's a big reason when you look at the skill set of Lamar and Huntley.

The Ravens schemed short passes for Huntley because he straight up *couldn't* go deep consistently. He just didn't have the arm strength to consistently challenge vertically or get it there quickly. Lamar does.

The Ravens have always run a top down offense under Lamar where Lamar works deep reads down. Lamar has the athletic ability to buy time for those reads to come open and the ability to challenge those throws vertically.

Now, I'm sure a lot of this has to do with Lamar simply liking to go deep with consistency. We see it a lot that Lamar will go for it all if he thinks he has a window to go deep.

But we know he can work in that short to intermediate area. One of the things that encouraged me about rookie Lamar as a passer is that his throws over the middle from the 10-15 yard range led the league in completion percentage at over 70%. Lamar has always been a really good intermediate passer and he additionally loves his tight ends. It's been a big reason Andrews has worked so well here.

Why did the Ravens install such different looks for Huntley, but then not use them with Lamar? I'm not sure. It's no secret that Huntley works really well when the game is close and manageable. If the game ever got out of hand, Huntley didn't have the ability to challenge a defense and bring the Ravens back into the game. So, it isn't an offense the Ravens would want to lean on consistently.

But why not incorporate those looks more frequently for Lamar? I imagine it's a bit of leaning on Lamar's preference to be a down field passer and also a bit that the Ravens felt they needed to challenge deep to keep the defense honest.

In any case, I do hope those rhythmic type of throws become a higher emphasis under Declan.
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huntley's being asked to make simple quick reads

the only throw huntley has in his locker that lamar never throws is the backshoulder fade which lamar just never wants to throw - so the route concepts we run with lamar never have that as an option built into the play

the only other kinds of plays we didnt see much with lamar but saw a lot of with huntley were those RPO slants and some early down quick outs etc.

and it might be that the final progression lamar has to make as a qb is that to stay on schedule and in rhythm, sometimes you just have to make those quick 1 read plays that get you ahead of the chains or keep you in manageable situations rather than trying to read it out

then again, if you scheme as many quick hitters as we did with huntley, the entire offence becomes incredibly limited
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I think there's a big reason when you look at the skill set of Lamar and Huntley.

The Ravens schemed short passes for Huntley because he straight up *couldn't* go deep consistently. He just didn't have the arm strength to consistently challenge vertically or get it there quickly. Lamar does.

The Ravens have always run a top down offense under Lamar where Lamar works deep reads down. Lamar has the athletic ability to buy time for those reads to come open and the ability to challenge those throws vertically.

Now, I'm sure a lot of this has to do with Lamar simply liking to go deep with consistency. We see it a lot that Lamar will go for it all if he thinks he has a window to go deep.

But we know he can work in that short to intermediate area. One of the things that encouraged me about rookie Lamar as a passer is that his throws over the middle from the 10-15 yard range led the league in completion percentage at over 70%. Lamar has always been a really good intermediate passer and he additionally loves his tight ends. It's been a big reason Andrews has worked so well here.

Why did the Ravens install such different looks for Huntley, but then not use them with Lamar? I'm not sure. It's no secret that Huntley works really well when the game is close and manageable. If the game ever got out of hand, Huntley didn't have the ability to challenge a defense and bring the Ravens back into the game. So, it isn't an offense the Ravens would want to lean on consistently.

But why not incorporate those looks more frequently for Lamar? I imagine it's a bit of leaning on Lamar's preference to be a down field passer and also a bit that the Ravens felt they needed to challenge deep to keep the defense honest.

In any case, I do hope those rhythmic type of throws become a higher emphasis under Declan.
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One of Lamars greatest games was against the Colts and they utilized every part of the field.

I don't understand how anyone could watch this offense this year and say to themselves "we are gong to keep doing it this way" over and over.

The short and intermediate game should ALWAYS be there.
 
gtalk12 said:
One of Lamars greatest games was against the Colts and they utilized every part of the field.

I don't understand how anyone could watch this offense this year and say to themselves "we are gong to keep doing it this way" over and over.

The short and intermediate game should ALWAYS be there.
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I believe that game was in 2022 with Greg Roman as OC.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
That was the thing for me that ended monken. The way we saw the offense change, which covered our weaknesses on the OL, and immediately went back to hero ball when Lamar came back, it was unacceptable
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Thats where i kinda hesitant to blame monken.. he almost have to be smarter than that right? Like he get paid millions so its no way he didnt notice that. Not saying it does but what if it had more to do with lamar than moken?
 
Deebo813 said:
Thats where i kinda hesitant to blame monken.. he almost have to be smarter than that right? Like he get paid millions so its no way he didnt notice that. Not saying it does but what if it had more to do with lamar than moken?
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You just can’t believe it, even though you saw it with your own eyes. Yes, it’s that unbelievable, and yes it happened anyway lol
 
Deebo813 said:
Thats where i kinda hesitant to blame monken.. he almost have to be smarter than that right? Like he get paid millions so its no way he didnt notice that. Not saying it does but what if it had more to do with lamar than moken?
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WTF is your beef with Lamar? You keep throwing jabs at him for some reason.
 
allblackraven said:
WTF is your beef with Lamar? You keep throwing jabs at him for some reason.
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Its not a jab at lamar, its more of me just being funny and preaching on what ive been saying since i was like 14 that regardless of profession, or how much they get paid… it doesnt mean shit lol.. im really just trying to give monken the benefit of the doubt cause clearly its no way that us regular fans who dont get paid for this shit, notice consistent occurring problems, yet someone who is an “ expert” and get paid millions doesnt notice it at all
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
And guards
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