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The Q4 Heroics, the Tackling, and the Season is Over

rmcjacket23 said:
You might want to prepare yourself for disappointment now, because I don't think he's getting fired at all.
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As a CEO coach Harbaugh stands and falls by the quality of assistants he hires. The entire group under him is awful and he should pay the price for that. He didn't even manange to pick the second best of McDonald's assistants, when they were all right under his nose, never mind the best one.

Head Coaches from offensive or defensive backgrounds often pay the price when their side of the ball is bad. Harbaugh has presided over badly coached special teams for about 5 years running. (The numbers haven't look so bad because of the GM's over-investment in special teamers on the roster but we all know Horton has been failing for a long time.)
 
QtR Nevermore said:
I want my coaches to be smarter (at least about football) than the majority of fans. Have you met people? They're fucking idiots for the most part.
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I agree. I just thoroughly enjoy calling out the hypocrisy of "they did exactly what I wanted them to do, it didn't work, and now I'm going to criticize them for doing it".

I can already tell we've hit rock bottom from the fan "stupidity" meter when the biggest criticism of the team I see this morning is "why didn't we try to make the FG kick closer".
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Exactly this. Why is it so hard to incorporate the run game in the pass game and vice verse? It’s why I don’t like monkens offense by design, all year long I’ve said you gotta be able to pass out of your run personnel because this OL isn’t built to take on a heavy rush 40+ times a game, but no if we have run personnel, we’re running it 99% of the time, and if we have pass personnel, we either pass or run in a long developing, option(or option look), and it’s underblocked and typically gets blown tf up
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it's odd though because they were great at passing with 12 and 21 personnel last year
i think they really struggled on early downs with not doing enough play-action and not enough easy wins early in the downs that got them behind the chains and running tight formations with 2 TEs isn't as effective on 3rd and 8 in an obvious passing situation

the likely and ricard injuries probably hurt the ravens offence a lot early in the year schematically
 
QtR Nevermore said:
As a CEO coach Harbaugh stands and falls by the quality of assistants he hires. The entire group under him is awful and he should pay the price for that. He didn't even manange to pick the second best of McDonald's assistants, when they were all right under his nose, never mind the best one.

Head Coaches from offensive or defensive backgrounds often pay the price when their side of the ball is bad. Harbaugh has presided over badly coached special teams for about 5 years running. (The numbers haven't look so bad because of the GM's over-investment in special teamers on the roster but we all know Horton has been failing for a long time.)
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So I agree. The problem I have though is if its a fireable offense to hire bad one's, what does he get when he hires good one's? He's at his ceiling in terms of career advancement. The quality of the DCs he's hired have been gigantically positive over his tenure have they not? Shit load of HC opportunities have been created for guys he hired as defensive assistants. Decent number of DC jobs entirely have been created for guys he hired as defensive assistants.
He's also had wins at OC. Monken was a good hire. Despite what the fans may think, Roman was a good hire, as referenced by the fact that he keeps getting OC gigs and the teams that he coordinate keep winning plenty of at least regular season games. He hired Kubiak. He hired, and mid-season, promoted Caldwell, who then got a HC gig.

I think this batch of defensive coaches is garbage, and they need to move off most of them. But I don't think that's the reason John should get fired. That's basically saying we don't judge you off your victories but only off your failures. Which isn't a good way to lead any organization.
 
Carptom1 said:
5. Fuck kickers…. After the Boswell miss I thought you were good, until the decision was made to not get a few more yards and pin your hopes on a 44 yard kick by a rookie. I told my wife that is not a gimme. Wow what a choke.
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this is the ultimate decision of cowardly coaches
pretty sure it's bitten guys like McVay in the ass too

you get what you pay for when you kneel it out for 40+ yard FGs

if you're scared of a fumble, why are you not scared of a FG miss?

cowardice - and often cowardice is punished in the NFL
 
rmcjacket23 said:
So I generally agree. However, I'd also say that yesterday's gameplan is precisely what I heard the majority of fans say they wanted. If you want Henry to run the ball a ton, you can't throw the ball a ton. It's just not possible. 2nd and 9, which isn't a running down, became a running down. That's what fans wanted. And if it was 3rd and 2 and you dare throw the ball, people are asking why you're not running the ball.

I had very little issue with the 1H play calling. 3Q it became clear that the way to beat PIT was to throw the ball. I'd say we were late to make that change, but I'd also point that the Ravens only ran 8 total offensive plays in the 3rd quarter.

Games like this aren't won by opposing your will in the run game. That's great to do when Huntley is playing GB on the road. These games are won by playmakers, like your QB, making plays. He made on big one in the 1st quarter, took Q2 and Q3 completely off, and then came up big in the fourth.

The offense made plays (finally). The defense never did.
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also tbf all week people were clamouring for the offensive gameplan vs the packers last week to protect lamar coming off the back contusion

so makes sense that you'd ease him into the game in the 1st half with quick hitters, short throws and the running game - which is what fans wanted all week

can't then complain about the gameplan that they asked for
 
If Henry and Lamar don’t make amazing plays Monkens offense doesn’t work. Nothing is ever on schedule, I’m ready to move on from him
 
rossihunter2 said:
also tbf all week people were clamouring for the offensive gameplan vs the packers last week to protect lamar coming off the back contusion

so makes sense that you'd ease him into the game in the 1st half with quick hitters, short throws and the running game - which is what fans wanted all week

can't then complain about the gameplan that they asked for
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I’m not really complaining about last nights game plan, it was a strong gameplan I thought, got derailed a few times due to penalties, and WRs just were not getting open in time. I liked the heavy run game early, and felt we came up off of it at a good point in the game when it was needed, for once I didn’t feel a sense of panic in our offensive play calling.

Throughout the season though, there was plenty about the overarching theme of the offense I didn’t like, like I’ve said again and again, it’s the total unwillingness to complement the run game with a pass game that is friendlier to the qb and OL
 
rossihunter2 said:
my preference is Harbs and cleanhouse

but yeah, if we pick 1 coordinator to move on from, it has to be Orr
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I just don't think its gonna happen. I give strong odds to Orr getting canned though. There is no way a Macdonald led D allows what happened last night.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I’m not really complaining about last nights game plan, it was a strong gameplan I thought, got derailed a few times due to penalties, and WRs just were not getting open in time. I liked the heavy run game early, and felt we came up off of it at a good point in the game when it was needed, for once I didn’t feel a sense of panic in our offensive play calling.

Throughout the season though, there was plenty about the overarching theme of the offense I didn’t like, like I’ve said again and again, it’s the total unwillingness to complement the run game with a pass game that is friendlier to the qb and OL
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I don't think the gameplan was necessarily bad. I think we left a lot of potential homeruns on the table though.
 
Simba said:
I know impact players are impact players for a reason, but I feel like the biggest death knell for Orr is that he needs Kyle Hamilton in order for anything to work. Can't have a whole system be so reliant on one guy, even if he is a superstar.
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They were missing 2 huge pieces on that side. I don't want to hear shit about Kyle being gone with that wr group we had to defend.

Lastly almost every other kicker yesterday seemed to come through when they were needed and PLENTY of big kicks were made. 5 fucking families and we got this other pygmy thing in Baltimore.
 
redrum52 said:
They were missing 2 huge pieces on that side. I don't want to hear shit about Kyle being gone with that wr group we had to defend.
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EDC needs to get some heat as well. Buddy refused to build the trenches. Or he just sucks at it. Either way.. that was our demise (along with poor ass coaching)
 
redrum52 said:
They were missing 2 huge pieces on that side. I don't want to hear shit about Kyle being gone with that wr group we had to defend.
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THIS. How bad is Zachary Orr’s scheme that you give up nearly 400 yards to Calvin Austin, Adam Thielen, and MVS in 2026. I don’t care if Hamilton is in, any competent defense should not allow what they just did.

I used to feel like we needed a new offensive mind to get the most out of Lamar. The Ravens desperately need a defensive mind in here. Both sides are soft and don’t fight.

I love Hamilton and how he plays, but his quotes before and after games really rub me the wrong way. No fire and he makes it sound like it’s obvious what they need to do. Then why the fuck is it so hard for the other 10 people around you.

I swear to god I saw more Ravens tackling other Ravens last night than tackles on Jalen Warren.
 
Black Monday isn’t dark enough in Baltimore.

Hurry up.

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