The Fumbles, the Lamar Injury, and the Season’s Over?

[rmcjacket23]

To me, Henry is the RB you start with. He is the bruising back that wears the defense down and crushes them. Then you put in Keaton when they are gassed. We just saw this work perfectly last week. Monken and Harbaugh are morons.

So for me, I think the media, per usual, is just totally picking the worst possible spots for criticism. I have no fucking clue why people think Henry not paying in on the second to last drive is the difference in the game.

For starters, I'll take the shot at the fanbase, since this is what they wanted. They wanted more Mitchell. They said he was a playmaker. So they put him in a spot to make plays. You know what didn't happen? He didn't make plays.

THAT is the theme of the game and of the entire season. Your playmakers don't make plays. They fumble. They throw picks. They commit stupid penalties. They drop interceptions.

 

[UPennChem]

You really hate EDC huh? I mean he has tried to protect Lamar. Just because he hasn’t spent a first round pick on an OL doesn’t mean he hasn’t put an investment there. They may not have worked out but I also do believe the HC is involved in players too, no GM would want to make picks in a vacuum without the input of the HC.

I dont hate him. I dont hate anyone. But I have for years thought his contrarian style is not the best way for winning a SB.

Just look at every Chiefs SB loss. You dont have to go back far. You cant win a SB without a competent line.

The guy saw Vorhees and Faalele last year and said their fine. I'll add an injured rookie RT and Harbs can move him to guard. That's not trying to protect Lamar.

 

[ravenslord]

I don't know about you but I was not impressed by the Patriots.

 

[UPennChem]

@UPennChem , I remember you saying that that dumbass lateral was on Todd and not Mark. Well it looks like Mark disagrees. Makes it even more egregious.

Well I was wrong and the only thing I can say is I'm baffled. It was so heinously stupid I said I have to give him the benefit of the doubt that they planned a trick play to end the half. Instead dumbass tried to throw the game away in the 2nd quarter. Unbelievable. Good thing we resigned him.

 

[rmcjacket23]

if we lose out and Kc beats the raiders and the cowboys win against nyc or wash, we get the 12th pick from what im seeing. Not bad, puts us in ability for a top 3 offensive linemen probably, a top 2 wr, or an elite edge tool player.

Unfortunately, unless the pats stumble, we end up playing the bills and chargers next year, which IMO is way tougher r than pats and broncos. Also will mean we play the cowboys instead of the eagles though I believe which is a big win.

I wouldn't plan on losing out. If we lose to GB, PIT locks up the division before their game on Sunday. And I wouldn't expect to be seeing many of their starters in week 18.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I don't know about you but I was not impressed by the Patriots.

Well, couple things:
1. Drake Maye is the real deal. Made a ton of big time throws and some of those were with pressure. The TD throw to Williams over Marlon, who actually had great coverage for once, was an elite-level throw.
2. They lost Henderson mid-game, which dramatically effects their offense. He's become the focal point for several weeks now.
3. They've got tons of injuries on the Oline. When healthy, it's an above average group.

Now I do think their D is quite overrated and will struggle against high-end offenses in the playoffs.

 

[ravenslord]

Just shut him down for the season at this point.

Fo those who don't understand back issues when they saw Lamar standing on the sidelines :

Back issues in many instances feel alot better when you are standing and hurt like hell when you are laying down or sitting .

 

[Grim]

So for me, I think the media, per usual, is just totally picking the worst possible spots for criticism. I have no fucking clue why people think Henry not paying in on the second to last drive is the difference in the game.

For starters, I'll take the shot at the fanbase, since this is what they wanted. They wanted more Mitchell. They said he was a playmaker. So they put him in a spot to make plays. You know what didn't happen? He didn't make plays.

THAT is the theme of the game and of the entire season. Your playmakers don't make plays. They fumble. They throw picks. They commit stupid penalties. They drop interceptions.

I agree with you. The whole season really comes back to the playmakers on this team just choking it away. It’s been pretty bad. I certainly put blame on the coaches as well but the players have not played well. The players never really recovered from losing to Buffalo.

 

[ravenslord]

Well, couple things:
1. Drake Maye is the real deal. Made a ton of big time throws and some of those were with pressure. The TD throw to Williams over Marlon, who actually had great coverage for once, was an elite-level throw.
2. They lost Henderson mid-game, which dramatically effects their offense. He's become the focal point for several weeks now.
3. They've got tons of injuries on the Oline. When healthy, it's an above average group.

Now I do think their D is quite overrated and will struggle against high-end offenses in the playoffs.

Not impressed. They will get bounced quickly in the playoffs quickly.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Not impressed. They will get bounced quickly in the playoffs quickly.

We will see. Quite frankly, you can swap Patriots for literally any team name in the AFC and the same would be true. So they're really in no better or worse position than the Broncos, Bills, Chargers, Texans, or Jags. I've really not been an overly impressed with any of them.

 

[Grim]

I dont hate him. I dont hate anyone. But I have for years thought his contrarian style is not the best way for winning a SB.

Just look at every Chiefs SB loss. You dont have to go back far. You cant win a SB without a competent line.

The guy saw Vorhees and Faalele last year and said their fine. I'll add an injured rookie RT and Harbs can move him to guard. That's not trying to protect Lamar.

I think roster construction is a collaborative thing at the end of the day. A good GM won’t give a HC a player they don’t want or have input on before drafting or signing, how dumb would it be? If you and I are in business together as partners and I’m the hiring executive and you’re the operations guy who runs the business, if I am good at my job of finding people I will ask you for input on candidates.

That’s why I don’t put it on Eric. I think he’s gotten some great players here for us. He’s a top GM

 

[Grim]

Fo those who don't understand back issues when they saw Lamar standing on the sidelines :

Back issues in many instances feel alot better when you are standing and hurt like hell when you are laying down or sitting .

As someone who just hurt his back, this is factual

 

[ravenslord]

Harbaugh said Lamar had a back bruise , took a shot and still couldn't go .

Has anyone ever seen a QB get knocked out of the game by a back bruise(knee to the back) ?

 

[ravenslord]

As someone who just hurt his back, this is factual

Yeah I probably will have to take that shot Lamar took in the next week or so.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I think roster construction is a collaborative thing at the end of the day. A good GM won’t give a HC a player they don’t want or have input on before drafting or signing, how dumb would it be? If you and I are in business together as partners and I’m the hiring executive and you’re the operations guy who runs the business, if I am good at my job of finding people I will ask you for input on candidates.

That’s why I don’t put it on Eric. I think he’s gotten some great players here for us. He’s a top GM

If it's a collaborative effort, then it's collaborative blame. EDC ain't getting fired, and I'm not suggesting he should, but it's an organizational philosophy to "run the ball and stop the run". It's definitely a Harbaugh philosophy, and I'm pretty confident it's shared by both Ozzie and by EDC.

If you stick with that through the next HC, you won't win. A culture change is needed, but it's not just in the locker room either.

 

[Grim]

Harbaugh said Lamar had a back bruise , took a shot and still couldn't go .

Has anyone ever seen a QB get knocked out of the game by a back bruise(knee to the back) ?

So not sure if that’s a question or you’re insinuating something or maybe both

I’ll say that factually, yes. A lot of times doctors could diagnose something as X until it’s confirmed as Z. So most likely the doctors can’t diagnose him with a fracture since the X-Ray came back negative. A more in-depth CT scan may be required so see underlying tissue for actual damage.

I’m not sure though why he is hurt that bad or why the pads didn’t help. Maybe a fluke, maybe Harbaugh or Lamar don’t believe in certain pads, no idea lol

 

[Grim]

If it's a collaborative effort, then it's collaborative blame. EDC ain't getting fired, and I'm not suggesting he should, but it's an organizational philosophy to "run the ball and stop the run". It's definitely a Harbaugh philosophy, and I'm pretty confident it's shared by both Ozzie and by EDC.

If you stick with that through the next HC, you won't win. A culture change is needed, but it's not just in the locker room either.

Well, certainly EDC shares blame. His picks haven’t worked out at OL that are later picks, some questionable investment of cap into some players and sometimes too much player loyalty. Those are areas I’d agree that he shares blame.

The place I disagree about blaming him is to the level of replacing him. I think you do that first with the coaches because I don’t see a front office that needs to be replaced yet. I can’t say that about our coaches.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I think roster construction is a collaborative thing at the end of the day. A good GM won’t give a HC a player they don’t want or have input on before drafting or signing, how dumb would it be? If you and I are in business together as partners and I’m the hiring executive and you’re the operations guy who runs the business, if I am good at my job of finding people I will ask you for input on candidates.

That’s why I don’t put it on Eric. I think he’s gotten some great players here for us. He’s a top GM

And this isn't related to you, but I'll piggyback off of it... the high end football teams in this league aren't afraid to let their QB throw it a ton. They don't want to do it every week, but I've quite literally never seen a culture, or even a fanbase, with a franchise QB, that is so adamant that the best strategy to winning is taking the ball out of their QBs hands before.

The Patriots have zero fear of a sophomore QB throwing it 44 times to win. None. They can still score 28 points in a game where they couldn't run the ball at all. In a another game where our opponent couldn't run the ball, the Steelers weren't afraid to let a 44 year old QB who can't move throw it 34 times. And they won.

The better coached teams, and the one's that can win, can beat you multiple ways. The Ravens don't have multiple ways to beat teams. And it's been clear over the years that the culture of the team is "run the ball, stop the run". Well this season is what that looks like. Top 3 in rushing yards. Middle of the pack, but still good, at stopping the run. Near the bottom of the league in pass D, near the bottom of the league in throwing the ball.

It doesn't work.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Well, certainly EDC shares blame. His picks haven’t worked out at OL that are later picks, some questionable investment of cap into some players and sometimes too much player loyalty. Those are areas I’d agree that he shares blame.

The place I disagree about blaming him is to the level of replacing him. I think you do that first with the coaches because I don’t see a front office that needs to be replaced yet. I can’t say that about our coaches.

EDC isn't getting replaced. I'm merely suggesting that if he doesn't modify his roster construction strategy to fit a more modern team, the HC isn't going to matter as much as people think it will.

 

[ravenslord]

So not sure if that’s a question or you’re insinuating something or maybe both

I’ll say that factually, yes. A lot of times doctors could diagnose something as X until it’s confirmed as Z. So most likely the doctors can’t diagnose him with a fracture since the X-Ray came back negative. A more in-depth CT scan may be required so see underlying tissue for actual damage.

I’m not sure though why he is hurt that bad or why the pads didn’t help. Maybe a fluke, maybe Harbaugh or Lamar don’t believe in certain pads, no idea lol

I'm not insinuating anything, I just don't recall a QB getting knocked out of a game with a back bruise. Maybe MRI will show more damage than expected.