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JoeyFlex5 said:
It was always talked about with Mike Mac, the way he teaches it to the players apparently makes it very simple for all levels of the defense to play cohesively. I think Orr is trying to do what Mike Mac did but he just isn’t him and can’t do what he did, and is also putting an emphasis on not giving up 1-2 play TDs but can’t clamp down when the field gets shorter
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One of the things I heard about how he teaches pressures is that he teaches them by alignment not by position - and therefore has to teach all the pressures to everyone - but it means the actual call is super easy because if you’re aligned there that’s your assignment regardless of what your position is and so the whole group understands the pressure

And it means that he can make really simple pressures look complex for the offence to sort by lining guys up differently but it’s simple for the defence to execute

By being such a good teacher he’s able to have simple calls for complex looking pressures and sim pressures on game days

I’ve heard it a few times that a lot of ppl league wide thing MM’s real superpower is how he teaches the defence more than how he calls it (which he’s good at also obviously)
 
Back end of the roster thing so impact is minimal, but Tez was going through it on every ST rep against Houston, so would guess he might get the week off now that some other guys are getting back. But getting where they thought they would overall on the injury front

 
Baltimorican said:
Nah everybody in here, unanimously, would rather have Minshew. Dude has played well in different scenarios, good teams and bad. He's always good for a month which is what high end backups do. Rush's rep is based on on season he filled in on a pretty loaded Dallas team where he had been in the system for several years already. He's been fringe ever since.

The potential franchise thing isn't true at all. Undrafted types/late picks who understand they are going to be backups from day 1 tend to carve out those careers for longer periods of time. Guys like Bridgewater waste half their careers trying to be starters before settling into top tier backup status.
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Your entire list of "high end backups" were guys that teams voluntarily decided were game 1 starters for at least a season. In some cases, longer.

I'd rather have Minshew or Dalton if they cost the same as Rush. But they don't.

With Minshew specifically, I think there's a lot of revisionist history here that doesn't hold up to reality. He hasn't even really been a viable backup since 2020, when he was effectively the starter in JAX. His 2023 and 2024 output has been really not good.
 
Simba said:
Back end of the roster thing so impact is minimal, but Tez was going through it on every ST rep against Houston, so would guess he might get the week off now that some other guys are getting back. But getting where they thought they would overall on the injury front

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Not sure Awuzie or Ricard make it back this week, but sounds like Hamilton and Stanley should be back, and Marlon sounds promising.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Not sure Awuzie or Ricard make it back this week, but sounds like Hamilton and Stanley should be back, and Marlon sounds promising.
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Yep that seems about right.

Marlon seems like the question mark because they expected him to be the longest of the bunch but he fought to get back out there. I know a lot of people clown on him for the podcasting and just general weird personality, but not many guys would play through the things he's played through in recent years.
 
rossihunter2 said:
the issue with "high-end backups" is that unfortunately a lot of them are forced into starting roles by virtue of there not being 32 decent starters at the position in the league

and by bumping up some of those potential "high-end backups" into starters, the pool of backups gets worse too
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It's tough to get a hold of one, that's the truth. Rebuilding teams with cap space covet them and can pay them 8-15m for a year while a rookie gets ready. This offseason was especially brutal with the Giants and Browns collecting them. The Ravens got what they could in Rush and have been trying to develop one of their own (hence interest in Sanders).
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Your entire list of "high end backups" were guys that teams voluntarily decided were game 1 starters for at least a season. In some cases, longer.

I'd rather have Minshew or Dalton if they cost the same as Rush. But they don't.

With Minshew specifically, I think there's a lot of revisionist history here that doesn't hold up to reality. He hasn't even really been a viable backup since 2020, when he was effectively the starter in JAX. His 2023 and 2024 output has been really not good.
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I don't understand your confusion. Yes, high end backups tend to have checkered careers before settling into the role. Some were high picks that crashed out and then reincarnated as backups, some were undrafted dudes you prevailed until they got a shot, others were even long time starters who couldn't stay healthy for 17 games (Tua will be a GREAT high end backup). Every blue moon or so one of them falls into a perfect situation and gets a long term contract (Daniel jones looking at you)
 
rossihunter2 said:
One of the things I heard about how he teaches pressures is that he teaches them by alignment not by position - and therefore has to teach all the pressures to everyone - but it means the actual call is super easy because if you’re aligned there that’s your assignment regardless of what your position is and so the whole group understands the pressure

And it means that he can make really simple pressures look complex for the offence to sort by lining guys up differently but it’s simple for the defence to execute

By being such a good teacher he’s able to have simple calls for complex looking pressures and sim pressures on game days

I’ve heard it a few times that a lot of ppl league wide thing MM’s real superpower is how he teaches the defence more than how he calls it (which he’s good at also obviously)
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Seems he’s a bit of a revolutionary. Ravens were trying to make the positionless defense a thing for a very long time but it seems Mike Mac is the one that can actually achieve it
 
Baltimorican said:
I don't understand your confusion. Yes, high end backups tend to have checkered careers before settling into the role. Some were high picks that crashed out and then reincarnated as backups, some were undrafted dudes you prevailed until they got a shot, others were even long time starters who couldn't stay healthy for 17 games (Tua will be a GREAT high end backup). Every blue moon or so one of them falls into a perfect situation and gets a long term contract (Daniel jones looking at you)
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I'm not confused. Guys like Minshew aren't high end backups, because as backups, they're not performing better than the guys others consider non-high-end backups.

If they're perceived as high end, its not been because of recent output.
 
Deebo813 said:
Yep.. them mfs out there playing like their life is on the line.. baker always been a dog but this dart mf is crazy
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Their whole teams play like dogs. You could say every player playing like a Raven.

At least somebody is carrying a tradition. If I was Bisciotti I'd have made all players, coordinators and HC watch the Giants and Bucs vs SEA games all day Friday.
 
allblackraven said:
Their whole teams play like dogs. You could say every player playing like a Raven.

At least somebody is carrying a tradition. If I was Bisciotti I'd have made all players, coordinators and HC watch the Giants and Bucs vs SEA games all day Friday.
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Its just not in the players we have! Been knew we were soft af when they let kelce do tucker like that
 
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