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The Andrews, the Defense, and the Blocking

David Ojabo might not be the pass rusher yet some would have hoped but it looks like he had some bright moments setting the edge . Don't know how many true pass rush opportunities he had though
 
Tank said:
To state the obvious controlling the ball and keeping the offense on the field gives the other team less chances. I'm not saying the D shouldn't have done better, but this was another game where we were on the wrong end of the TOP.
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I won't give them an out. Asking the offense to score slower is insane to me.

The defense is inexcusable. We can't sit around and ask Lamar and Co "hey can you score slower please, the defense is getting gashed over and over again so we need you to protect them"

They want to get off the field? Take the ball away or stop them on 3rd and 4th down which they have been incapable of doing.

This offense at this point can't control the clock with an O-line that can't keep defenders from hitting Henry 3 yards behind scrimmage nor have they shown the ability to block against 3 man rushes and yet the offense still finds ways to put up points.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
So in my opinion, in the Lions game, it had nothing to do with the offense. Long term, what's becoming clear is that this offense is more of a "big play" offense than it may ever has been, which means explosive plays usually lead to scoring quicker with less TOP. So the defense will likely need to adjust to that.

In the Lions game, I don't really see the "tired" defense issue.:
First drive of the game the Lions went 67 yards on 11 plays for a TD.
Second TD was off a 18 play, 98 yard drive that lasted nearly 11 minutes. This was early second quarter, and the Lions had the ball for about 8 minutes in the first quarter, so they weren't "tired".
Third TD drive was a 7 play, 60 yard drive, mid-third quarter, in which the Ravens had a long, lengthy drive for a TD before that. Essentially the defense hadn't played a snap in like over 30 minutes of "real time" when they gave up that drive.

You could argue the 4th TD in early 4th quarter could be due to "fatigue", considering we went 3 and out right before, but the 3rd and 4th TD drives for the Lions lasted last than 4 minutes each. They were explosive play, big yardage drives.

I fully think the final TD drive to go up 38-24 was fatigue driven, but that's sort of game over already. Wasn't needed.

Bottom line for me... there was at least three, long TD drives the defense gave up that had nothing to do with what the offense did before them. They couldn't argue fatigue. They just get bullied.
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i think it's not just that the offence is an explosive offence
but that right now they don't have the tools to finish drives without those explosives because there's no "easy wins" in this offence at the moment in the running game or short game to stay on time
 
Sandtown said:
David Ojabo might not be the pass rusher yet some would have hoped but it looks like he had some bright moments setting the edge . Don't know how many true pass rush opportunities he had though
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Ravens won't have a choice but to give him a chance to play.
 
gtalk12 said:
I won't give them an out. Asking the offense to score slower is insane to me.

The defense is inexcusable. We can't sit around and ask Lamar and Co "hey can you score slower please, the defense is getting gashed over and over again so we need you to protect them"

They want to get off the field? Take the ball away or stop them on 3rd and 4th down which they have been incapable of doing.

This offense at this point can't control the clock with an O-line that can't keep defenders from hitting Henry 3 yards behind scrimmage nor have they shown the ability to block against 3 man rushes and yet the offense still finds ways to put up points.
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It ain't about scoring slower, it's about getting first downs, winning the TOP, keeping the D fresh and wearing down the opposing D. Generally the team that has the ball longer and doesn't turn it over wins. Of course, finishing drives is most important as well.
 
Tank said:
It ain't about scoring slower, it's about getting first downs, winning the TOP, keeping the D fresh and wearing down the opposing D. Generally the team that has the ball longer and doesn't turn it over wins. Of course, finishing drives is most important as well.
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This defense has allowed 39.5 points a game in the 2 loses. I don't understand how you can even look at the offense right now.

Playing conservative or to control the clock with this unit on the offensive line is exactly why they lost against the Bills. They can't execute the way you are used to seeing on short yards and are getting crushed at the point of attack. You can't be conservative like that and have a defense that can't get off the field. We have seen this story now so many times. Remember the Buccs game last year?

Ravens were actually more efficient on 3rd downs than the Lions. The Ravens were also more efficient on 3rd downs than the Bills as well. You'd never notice because this defense can't hold leads and can't be bothered to produce a turnover. They don't create turnovers. They don't stop anybody on 4th down. Between the Bills and Lions they are a perfect 4/4 on 4th downs.

Ravens won't be able to control the clock when a team drives on you 90 yards TWICE.
 
gtalk12 said:
Ravens won't have a choice but to give him a chance to play.
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I don't mind that at all. Ojabo seems pretty sound when it comes to setting the edge and dropping in to coverage. I would personally would have him and Robinson be the ones you have setting the edge then on obvious passing downs have Oweh and Green rush the passer or atleast reduce Green role to a pass rush specialist role so he won't have to think too much outside of just rushing the passer.
 
Sandtown said:
I don't mind that at all. Ojabo seems pretty sound when it comes to setting the edge and dropping in to coverage. I would personally would have him and Robinson be the ones you have setting the edge then on obvious passing downs have Oweh and Green rush the passer or atleast reduce Green role to a pass rush specialist role so he won't have to think too much outside of just rushing the passer.
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We are going to figure out what we have in these guys next week
 
Simba said:
That's where I'm at with it. I'd rather a guy loses a battle every now and then vs. the whole squad losing the war.

They just seem very uncomfortable out there in zone. Heads on a swivel constantly, and not projecting a lot of confidence that they know what they're doing.
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Could the lack of preseason reps be a factor here? Or are they just not good at zone?
 
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gtalk12 said:
This defense has allowed 39.5 points a game in the 2 loses. I don't understand how you can even look at the offense right now.

Playing conservative or to control the clock with this unit on the offensive line is exactly why they lost against the Bills. They can't execute the way you are used to seeing on short yards and are getting crushed at the point of attack. You can't be conservative like that and have a defense that can't get off the field. We have seen this story now so many times. Remember the Buccs game last year?

Ravens were actually more efficient on 3rd downs than the Lions. The Ravens were also more efficient on 3rd downs than the Bills as well. You'd never notice because this defense can't hold leads and can't be bothered to produce a turnover. They don't create turnovers. They don't stop anybody on 4th down. Between the Bills and Lions they are a perfect 4/4 on 4th downs.

Ravens won't be able to control the clock when a team drives on you 90 yards TWICE.
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Not suggesting we take the air out of the ball and be conservative to control the clock, just be more efficient and smart. Or that the defense did their job, they certainly had issues. It’s not an “offense vs. defense” discussion for me, guys are wearing the same uniform. lol

Against the Lions we were down 2 D line starters making any possible rotation a lot shorter, losing the TOP didn’t help that situation. Bills game, getting just a couple of first downs during our 3 4th quarter posessions probably gets the win. Again, not trying to blame anyone, just pointing out things we could have done to win.
 
Tank said:
It ain't about scoring slower, it's about getting first downs, winning the TOP, keeping the D fresh and wearing down the opposing D. Generally the team that has the ball longer and doesn't turn it over wins. Of course, finishing drives is most important as well.
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Right, but again, a) I don't think the offense is built to win TOP right now and b) TOP wasn't really a factor (for the defense) against the Lions. Defense didn't let down because it was tired. It let down because they got pushed around.
 
Not suggesting we take the air out of the ball and be conservative to control the clock, just be more efficient and smart. Or that the defense did their job, they certainly had issues. It’s not an “offense vs. defense” discussion for me, guys are wearing the same uniform. lol

Against the Lions we were down 2 D line starters making any possible rotation a lot shorter, losing the TOP didn’t help that situation. Bills game, getting just a couple of first downs during our 3 4th quarter posessions probably gets the win. Again, not trying to blame anyone, just pointing out things we could have done to win.
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You are suggesting that an offense that is currently averaging 37 points a game is not efficient enough. Not sure why this defense is getting pass
 
Simba said:
And every single team out there is flawed in some way, so it's not like we're built incorrectly or anything. There's always going to be something that can be better.
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always, and it just feels like we're much worse than other teams at overcoming our issues, whether it's via schematic help or personnel usage

the inability to create a running game that doesn't rely on Lamar's legs or Pat Ricard is frustrating
 
rossihunter2 said:
always, and it just feels like we're much worse than other teams at overcoming our issues, whether it's via schematic help or personnel usage

the inability to create a running game that doesn't rely on Lamar's legs or Pat Ricard is frustrating
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Idk if it’s the loss of pat, or the OL being that bad, but I can see how pat would have such a huge impact, he’s different among FBs.

Maybe the exact recipe to rushing without pat is Lamar’s legs though. I feel like our option game has barely been used, and I wonder if Lamar has a minor injury, but if we’re able to we might wanna include more option runs. I’ve seen too many handoffs where Lamar would’ve ran free had he kept it.
 
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