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UPennChem said:
If Marlon is right that defensively the players are acting like jackasses and Orr is not having it, good on Orr. I'd respect the shit out of him.

No excuse for Todd Monken's cutesy shit and no excuse for Harbaughs conservativeness and extremely bad clock management.

Also STs sucked total dick
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Harbaugh’s time management has sucked ass since he has been here. It drives me insane!
 
redrum52 said:
Alluding to Henry as being easy to tackle after one of your teammates hasn't played since trying to tackle Henry is a take I guess...
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allblackraven said:
Who is the moron who said that?
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redrum52 said:
Delpit
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I'm glad he and Jeudy are taking shots at this team. It's great for division rivalry. Also, I need every team we go up against to challenge this team's manhood. Only then will we know if this team is truly about that SB contending life or not.
 
cobrajet said:
Harbaugh’s time management has sucked ass since he has been here. It drives me insane!
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there was a 2-3 year stretch when we had the analytics guys in the headset and jerry rosburg still in-house when harbs was top-tier in terms of gaining the ravens advantages with time management and 4th down decision-making but he's seemingly regressed and got way too conservative the last couple of years, almost like he got burned by those 2-pt conversion calls in 2021 and decided never again
 
rossihunter2 said:
there was a 2-3 year stretch when we had the analytics guys in the headset and jerry rosburg still in-house when harbs was top-tier in terms of gaining the ravens advantages with time management and 4th down decision-making but he's seemingly regressed and got way too conservative the last couple of years, almost like he got burned by those 2-pt conversion calls in 2021 and decided never again
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Nuts because those were all correct decisions. If he had punted and gotten away with v.s buffalo it still would have been a wrong decision imo. It's been a good decade plus now that there is no debate on how to win these games between elite Qb's, with the ball in your hands. And the 2 pt conversion gets made 60% while OT depends on the coin flip.
 
Baltimorican said:
Nuts because those were all correct decisions. If he had punted and gotten away with v.s buffalo it still would have been a wrong decision imo. It's been a good decade plus now that there is no debate on how to win these games between elite Qb's, with the ball in your hands. And the 2 pt conversion gets made 60% while OT depends on the coin flip.
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Not sure why you keep beating on the decision to punt. Lamar was gimpy, there was no choice.
 
Tank said:
That’s why you’re here talking to me instead of coaching football. lol
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For sure but...I dunno I have Allen getting that FG at about an 80% certainty. One legged Lamar gets the 1st down at least 50-50 to ice it and i'd give Henry like 40% trucking it (Bills don't know Lamar is hurt).
 
Baltimorican said:
For sure but...I dunno I have Allen getting that FG at about an 80% certainty. One legged Lamar gets the 1st down at least 50-50 to ice it and i'd give Henry like 40% trucking it (Bills don't know Lamar is hurt).
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lol I don't know where these percentages come from, but they're nuts. If Lamar is 50% to get a first down on one leg, he's 90% to be missing the next game because of it.
That game wasn't that important.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
lol I don't know where these percentages come from, but they're nuts. If Lamar is 50% to get a first down on one leg, he's 90% to be missing the next game because of it.
That game wasn't that important.
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I don't agree Lamar should have kept it but we should've went for it with Henry. We all knew when Allen got the ball back they were scoring.
 
Florida Raven Fan said:
I don't agree Lamar should have kept it but we should've went for it with Henry. We all knew when Allen got the ball back they were scoring.
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So for me, its much more complex:
1. If you send Lamar out there, it'll be obvious he's hurt. Defense sees that and knows he's not a threat to run, and arguably, isn't a threat to pass. At that point, stopping Henry isn't really super difficult with a loaded box. He got stopped short of three yards multiple times in that game.
2. If you don't send Lamar out there, everybody in the world knows Rush isn't throwing. So again, telegraphing.

Basically, if Lamar is limping out there and unable to run, I think punting provides a much, much greater win probability than having both sides knowing you're running on 4th and 3.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
So for me, its much more complex:
1. If you send Lamar out there, it'll be obvious he's hurt. Defense sees that and knows he's not a threat to run, and arguably, isn't a threat to pass. At that point, stopping Henry isn't really super difficult with a loaded box. He got stopped short of three yards multiple times in that game.
2. If you don't send Lamar out there, everybody in the world knows Rush isn't throwing. So again, telegraphing.

Basically, if Lamar is limping out there and unable to run, I think punting provides a much, much greater win probability than having both sides knowing you're running on 4th and 3.
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I rather of us lost by getting stopped on that 4 and 3rd the by giving them the ball back and not stopping them. I understand Henry got stopped multiples times but he also had a monster game rushing. So who knows what would've happened.

How many time did we make them punt? I haven't looked up the stat but I bet it's not good. Either way it was a gamble and me, myself, would've preferred they went for it.
 
Florida Raven Fan said:
I rather of us lost by getting stopped on that 4 and 3rd the by giving them the ball back and not stopping them. I understand Henry got stopped multiples times but he also had a monster game rushing. So who knows what would've happened.

How many time did we make them punt? I haven't looked up the stat but I bet it's not good. Either way it was a gamble and me, myself, would've preferred they went for it.
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I'd rather us not send an injured QB out there at all. I don't really care the "method by which we lose". That doesn't mean shit in the long run.
Buffalo punted 4 times. Defense obviously fell apart late, but then again, the offense had 17 total yards on its last three possessions. Any one of which with even a mildly-lasting drive would have likely ended the game.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
So for me, its much more complex:
1. If you send Lamar out there, it'll be obvious he's hurt. Defense sees that and knows he's not a threat to run, and arguably, isn't a threat to pass. At that point, stopping Henry isn't really super difficult with a loaded box. He got stopped short of three yards multiple times in that game.
2. If you don't send Lamar out there, everybody in the world knows Rush isn't throwing. So again, telegraphing.

Basically, if Lamar is limping out there and unable to run, I think punting provides a much, much greater win probability than having both sides knowing you're running on 4th and 3.
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Theoretically, with our defensive roster, you should believe we can stop a must-have drive, we’ve poured so much into it.

Realistically, with what we were seeing that night, I think all of us knew we were giving up that fg to lose.

There was no real option to win either way
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I'd rather us not send an injured QB out there at all. I don't really care the "method by which we lose". That doesn't mean shit in the long run.
Buffalo punted 4 times. Defense obviously fell apart late, but then again, the offense had 17 total yards on its last three possessions. Any one of which with even a mildly-lasting drive would have likely ended the game.
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Just a couple of first downs on any of those 3 drives, game over.
 
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