Week 15 Ravens @ Giants

[Dom McRaven]

And THAT conclude today's session. Glad it was a lot less stressful than the previous few games.

 

[cobrajet]

Put Lamar in to get #6…..lol!

 

[OURavensFan]

I mean they were absolutely better last year. Also the Bills do not really run the push tush they just have Allen power run it. Hurts gets the push tush TDs. For context the gap between Allen and Lamar last year is actually larger than the gap between Lamar and Allen this year (just flip who has it) so to say there is not a big gap between them last year is to say there is not one this year.

Edit: You could say that a lot of that gap (well for yards at least) was caused by games like this where Lamar just did not have to play the entire game whereas Allen did but that does not cover all of it.

No they weren’t absolutely better and Joe burrow isn’t better than Lamar

 

[Adreme]

No they weren’t absolutely better and Joe burrow isn’t better than Lamar

Then you think Lamar absolutely doesnt have better numbers than Allen right because the gap is literally smaller. Also you mentioned Burrow, and this will also highlight why MVP is not a stats race, he has, by far, the best stats of all 3.

 

[OURavensFan]

Then you think Lamar absolutely doesnt have better numbers than Allen right because the gap is literally smaller. Also you mentioned Burrow, and this will also highlight why MVP is not a stats race, he has, by far, the best stats of all 3.

Lamar has the best stats of the 3. Especially when you add rushing yards. Lamar has nearly the same passing volume output as Burrow on 100 less attempts

 

[Adreme]

Lamar has the best stats of the 3. Especially when you add rushing yards. Lamar has nearly the same passing volume output as Burrow on 100 less attempts

They don't have nearly the same passing output. There are 400 yards that separate them and that is with 3 games to go. For context 280 yards separate Allen and Lamar prior to this Sunday (and judging by how that game is going that number might get closer). You can argue a lot of things about their output but Lamar does not have nearly the same passing output as Burrow and it is silly to make that claim.

 

[RavensMania]

Then you think Lamar absolutely doesnt have better numbers than Allen right because the gap is literally smaller. Also you mentioned Burrow, and this will also highlight why MVP is not a stats race, he has, by far, the best stats of all 3.

it's who is most important to his team and Allen and Lamar should be neck and neck in the MVP race

 

[Adreme]

it's who is most important to his team and Allen and Lamar should be neck and neck in the MVP race

Last year reinforced that you basically need to be a top 2 seed to be taken seriously. Regardless of whether that is right or not that is what the award has become in the last decade.

Lamar’s path to a close race is becoming the 3 seed (so Steelers need to lose next week and 1 more) and the Bills need to lose 1 more, ideally quickly (in the next 5 minutes would be best).

 

[gtalk12]

Last year reinforced that you basically need to be a top 2 seed to be taken seriously. Regardless of whether that is right or not that is what the award has become in the last decade.

Lamar’s path to a close race is becoming the 3 seed (so Steelers need to lose next week and 1 more) and the Bills need to lose 1 more, ideally quickly (in the next 5 minutes would be best).

I don't see Allen losing after the performance he just put on the Lions.

Unless he lays an egg against the Jets or Patriots the last 3 remaining games are

Patriots
Jets
Patriots

LOLZ

 

[gtalk12]

Also, a huge part of last year was just how dominant the Ravens and Lamar were against winning teams that many considered contenders.

The Lions and 49er games just stood out and Lamar played very well against winning teams.

Bills the year before lost to the Jets and managed to score 16, the Jags, Patriots, barely beat the Giants 14-9 and Broncos. Generally Allen was good but those turnovers really killed him.

 

[Adreme]

Also, a huge part of last year was just how dominant the Ravens and Lamar were against winning teams that many considered contenders.

The Lions and 49er games just stood out and Lamar played very well against winning teams.

Bills the year before lost to the Jets and managed to score 16, the Jags, Patriots, barely beat the Giants 14-9 and Broncos. Generally Allen was good but those turnovers really killed him.

What killed Allen last year is that when Allen put up his best numbers they weren’t winning and they were playing to get into the playoffs week 17. The problem being that award was considered “finished” by then as the Ravens had the 1 seed.

 

[JPPT1974]

Out of curiosity why was Stout handling kickoffs towards the end of the game as Tucker usually does them? Does Harbaugh want him to focus on FG's now?

 

[gtalk12]

What killed Allen last year is that when Allen put up his best numbers they weren’t winning and they were playing to get into the playoffs week 17. The problem being that award was considered “finished” by then as the Ravens had the 1 seed.

That stretch of games that the Ravens and Lamar put on was incredible.

They dominated every single “best” team in football. Lions, 49ers, Seahawks, and that monster performance against the Phins put him over the top.

So as for this year, Allen should be leading right now unless Lamar goes out there and KILLS the Steelers and Texans.

There needs to be no question with those games and I think Lamar steals it from Allen. Otherwise it’s Allen and a two way between Lamar and Bark IMO